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by: Zappatero

09/20/07 @ 10:50:39 AM MDT


MoveOn is on the defensive for their ad that rightly questioned whether General Petraeus would tell the unbiased truth about Iraq. Their ad also contained facts which no one has disputed. He didn't tell the truth, and the people weren't moved by his rose-colored prose. Almost all reporting and facts have shown Iraq is worse off than before the surge.

One of the first events I participated in during the surge of grassroots democracy brought on by Howard Dean in 2003 was a MoveOn event in the Springs.

I am a MoveOn.org Democrat, they speak for those who are too timid to highlight the ugly truth, they speak some truths that the DC establishment can't see from their perch. And if our United States Senators are going to condemn MoveOn today, then they should also condemn the following

Zappatero :: I'm a MoveOn Democrat
  • Condemn Senator Hagel, who said the following about Petraeus's testimony
    [A] dirty trick on the American people when you send a military man out there to basically do a political sell-job...It's not only a dirty trick, but it's dishonest, it's hypocritical, it's dangerous and irresponsible.
  • Condemn protests against the war, especially those that took place last weekend. Surely, Americans freely assembling to protest the war hurts the troops, and I bet that more than one of the protesters were MoveOn.org members.

  • Condemn the press for conducting polls showing that more people think Petraeus was not being honest in his testimony than think he was being honest. Surely, they are also calling Petraeus a traitor, by suggesting that he would lie.  News outlets in question include CNN and Fox News.

  • Condemn those Americans who voted against members of Congress who are in favor of the war back in 2006. I know that is over forty million people, but hey, if they are going to send a message against the troops, then the Senate should send a message against them.

  • Condemn the United Church of Christ for organizing against the war. Once again, I bet that some MoveOn.org members are also in the United Church of Christ.
  • Condemn General Petraeus's superior, CentCom Chief Admiral William Fallon for insulting Petraeus, and for daring to actually be Petraeus's superior officer:
    Fallon told Petraeus [in March] that he considered him to be "an ass-kissing little chickensh*t" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.
  • Condemn every woman who General Petraeus found attractive in high school for not going out on a date with him.



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Boxer and Durbin (4.00 / 1)
are calling out Cornyn's hypocrisy on the floor right now.

How about calling (4.00 / 1)
him out in the media?

And if the corporate stenographer's won't give them time, they should do it on their own media.

A Responsible Plan for Iraq: endorsed by Jared Polis


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Count me as one, too (n/t) (4.00 / 2)


Casey Mulligan

Salazar (3.50 / 2)
apparently is NOT a MoveOn Democrat.

And he didn't (4.00 / 3)
object to the unanimous consent vote for Webb's amendment yesterday.  No one did, but CO only has 1 Senator who identifies himself as a Democrat.

And yes, my comment means that I don't think his vote for the amendment was enough.  If the Republicans want to filibuster everything, force them to actually carry them through.

I'm so glad Salazar's membership in the Gang of 14 translated to real effect.  I love how 'bipartisanship' works.

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surprise suprise (4.00 / 3)
bed wetter salazar cowers again

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As am I (4.00 / 2)
I'm glad 72 Senators don't believe in the freedom of speech.

This kind of vote exposes their views on our fundamental rights as Americans.  Apparently liberals aren't covered.

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Salazar (4.00 / 1)
I feel like Salazar just kicked me in the nuts while I was looking elsewhere and took off like a frightened child.

What a spineless JERK!

What must we do with this sad excuse for a Democrat?


Primary him (4.00 / 2)
I see a slippery slope develop with this pathetic waste of time.  72 Senators just voted to condemn liberal political speech.

Zappatero brings up a good point by linking to OpenLeft: what will the next condemnation vote be?  Where will Senators draw the line between accepted and unaccepted speech?

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HRC's vote (4.00 / 1)
According to TPM:

The Senate voted overwhelmingly to condemn the MoveOn ad that appeared in the NYT last week. Final tally was 72-25. Hillary Clinton was among those voting against the resolution.


Casey Mulligan

others running (4.00 / 2)
Dodd also voted no.  Biden and Obama were not present.  Supposedly they were at campaign events.

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OpenLeft has more (4.00 / 2)
http://www.openleft....

Am I reading this correctly: Obama rescheduled his campaign event due to important votes in the Senate.  He voted on the Boxer amendment one hour before the MoveOn vote, then didn't vote on the MoveOn issue?

If that's how it went down, I'm disappointed in Sen. Obama.

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Dodd (4.00 / 1)
Dodd is one of my favorite candidates running right now.  It is unfortunate that the powers that be decided ahead of time that this was a 3-person race, because I think Dodd has a lot to add to the level of debate in the campaign.

None of the other candidates have even broached in a serious way the topic of reining in unfettered executive branch power.  And I don't think the others can match up to his forceful stance in favor of civil liberties.  Kind of reminds me of when Gary Hart ran for President (or Howard Dean, for that matter); no way was the corporamediatocracy going to let this guy get the nomination.

Casey Mulligan


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i voted for Dodd in our straw poll (4.00 / 1)
I think he's starting to get noticed, though the front-loaded primaries don't help his cause.

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I watched it live... (4.00 / 1)
Clinton stands up and fights back. Obama, again, falls short of where we all hope he will be.


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Sen. Salazar (4.00 / 2)
also voted against the Feingold-Reid bill today.

One way to keep liberals from speaking up about the occupation, Senator, would be to redeploy our troops.  Feingold-Reid would have done that.

I would like to remind Sen. Salazar that a majority of Americans (not just liberals) want the troops redeployed from Iraq - the sooner the better.  They have expressed this time and time again.  When will you and your colleagues hear us and respond appropriately?

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And to think (4.00 / 2)
I was actually starting to be bamboozled by his line of bullshit about how he might think about voting to de-fund the war. 

Ah well, Senator.  What's a few thousand more casualties, when you can enjoy the continued warm fuzzies of "bipartisanship"?

I will not vote for this man again for any office.  I will not trust any candidate for President who is ignorant enough to put Salazar on the ticket.

Casey Mulligan


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One more reason... (4.00 / 1)
...to show that "centrism" isn't a principled political position but a strategy: allow other people to set the terms of the debate, then split the difference. Like I've said in other threads, by 2010 when Kiss Ass Ken is up for reelection the real question will be who will do the least damage: (a) a senior senator in the majority party who behaves in a destructive and demoralizing manner (Salazar) or (b) a junior senator from the minority party. At this point I'm thinking (b).

There is no elite, so take your place in the driver's seat.

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Olberman (4.00 / 1)

Goddamnit Bush, you've got a lot of damn nerve to complain about MoveOn after what you did to Max Clelland and John Kerry.

Moveon to run second Ad? (4.00 / 2)
  I wish this was more then just snark.
http://www.dailykos....

that's good enough to cross post (4.00 / 4)

If you can't read the snarky text:  "Congress is a group of elected officials constantly ar war with the electorate.  in 2006 they constantly insisted that if elected they would bring an end to the disastrous war and ongoing occupation of Iraq.  Last week the leaders of both branches said, "We have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to everything that we can to build on that progress."

"Yesterday, they had the opportunity to pass two important bills to advance their support for our troops in Iraq and alter the direction of ongoing catastrophe.  Instead they chose to condemn an article we placed in the New York Times.  We hear of bruised egos, hurt feelings, and improprieties.  But we don't head of how many more troops will be hurt of killed because of their willful inaction.

More importantly, Congress cannot admit what everyone knows: Iraq is a bloodbath with or without us.  They will not admit that American troops are condemned to remain in Iraq through at least one more election cycle.

Cent Com Commander Admiral William Fallon has referred to "Surge Architect" General David Petraeus as an "Ass-kissing little chickenshit", far worse that his own troops references to him as "Betray-us".  Today perhaps it is Congress that has actually betrayed us."


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American Meltdown (0.00 / 0)
More importantly, Congress cannot admit what everyone knows: Iraq is a bloodbath with or without us.  They will not admit that American troops are condemned to remain in Iraq through at least one more election cycle.
The point to the GOP's attack on MoveOn was to prevent fairly obvious truths from being spoken, and the chicken Dems played right into the strategy. Marginalize MoveOn, and our (= most Americans') position is marginalized along with them. This kind of willed blindness is the sort of thing you'd expect to see in the courts of Byzantine emperors or with the alcoholic families you hear about on Opra or Dr. Phil. That it's going on among people who control thermonuclear warheads is beyond belief. Yet there it is. If it continues, it's going to do the country some serious damage.


There is no elite, so take your place in the driver's seat.

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I am so sick of the factionalized fighting with the Dems. (4.00 / 1)
Congressional Dems should have stayed out of it.  They had NOTHING to gain by playing Bush's game. 

If You Listen to Fools, the Mob Rules!!!!

Excellent! (0.00 / 0)
Sorry I missed this when posted. I am catching up this weekend. Great diary and comments.

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Meanwhile (0.00 / 0)
Republicans filibustered a Democratic proposal to condemn those who attacked the services of other veterans.

Max Cleland and John Kerry apparently didn't give enough to their country to warrant the same kind of respect that Patreus deserves.

Republicans literally make me sick.

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