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by: davidsirota

08/03/07 @ 07:00:26 AM MDT


As you can see from the YouTube clip above, last Saturday (7/28), I appeared on Fox News' business show Bears & Bulls from Denver to address the question, "Is one of the government's job to end poverty?" The show was pegged to John Edwards (D-NC) efforts to use his presidential campaign to champion an anti-poverty agenda.

I know - it's really hard to believe that this was the premise of a question to be debated on television, even Fox. This is why I go on these shows when asked - because someone has to call out these people for what they are: elitists.

davidsirota :: Fox News Gets Big Tax Subsidies, Then Questions Whether We Should Fund Anti-Poverty Efforts
The idea that there are people out there in America who think, no, the government shouldn't do anything to combat poverty is sickening in a country that is supposed to pride itself on family values. The idea that, as you can see, some of these people get to appear on national television networks to spew their hateful ideologies is more than sickening - it is disturbing.

As you'll see in the clip, I make the point that if America - the wealthiest country on Earth - can continue giving hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks, corporate welfare, and tax code subsidies to superwealthy companies like Fox News' parent, The News Corporation, then we sure as hell have the resources to combat and eradicate poverty. You may recall that according to the New York Times, the News Corporation "paid no federal taxes in two of the last four years, and in the other two it paid only a fraction of what it otherwise would have owed" at a time when its "domestic pretax profits topped $9.4 billion."

You'll also see in the YouTube clip that the panelists all try to claim that the War on Poverty and anti-poverty programs in general have been a failure - an insult to the millions of hardworking Americans who have benefited from programs like Medicare, affordable housing grants, etc. These right-wing elitists want us to believe that because anti-poverty programs haven't 100 percent eradicated poverty (in part, because Republicans have refused to adequately fund them), that we should just abandon all efforts to alleviate poverty in pursuit of an Economic Darwinism. By this same logic, of course, we should eliminate all counterterrorism programs in America because those programs have not 100 percent eradicated terrorism.

Watch the YouTube clip here - and get ready for a wild ride.

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The Gospel of Greed (0.00 / 0)
seems to be at odds with compassionate conservatism - which Bush has proven to be  just a slick campaign slogan.

Why its debated: you agreed to debate it (0.00 / 0)
I don't blame you for legitimizing those fools by appearing on that network. The truth is that  I probably couldn't resist the stage if they offered it to me.

But in the end, they used you to push their propaganda and make an indefensible position part of the he-said/she-said that makes viewers think that the truth must lie somewhere in the middle.

You got your book plugged on a big show. That is a good thing. But if you think that you did not make FOX stronger by your appearance, you are not giving them enough credit for understanding how the game works.


But you can't just not debate it. (4.00 / 3)
TakeBackTheHouse, I don't completely disagree with you on your point, however Fox News probably would have had the topic on anyway.  If it wasn't David Sirota, they would have found someone else to debate it.  Better a true Progressive like Sirota then a Fox News Democrat like Susan Estrich or Dick Morris.  I realize there is a debate among Liberals about how to deal with Fox News, but I don't think Liberals can afford to just ignore Fox and hope it has no influence, because unfortunately it does.  http://elsa.berkeley...

  Fox News viewers are one of the most unified voting groups in the country.  I believe I read that 93% of regular Fox News viewers voted for Bush in the last election, a higher percentage then even evangelicals.  But it doesn't mean that Dems and Liberals can just cede the debate.  I did agree with the Democrats to cancel the Fox News debate and I think Edwards and Obama are right not to appear on Fox News if they don't want to play nice.  Democratic leaders who appear on Fox News regularly do risk giving the network legitimacy.  However, I don't think every Progressive has that luxury.  You have to take the battle to them in order to counter their message.  Sure, eighty or ninety percent of the audience will refuse to listen but if the progressive message gets out to just a small percentage of voters then it is worth doing.  Like it or not Fox News has the highest rated cable news network out there, it's too large of an audience to ignore.


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Then lets not ignore them (0.00 / 0)
I agree that we can't just hope they don't have the influence they have, but the appearance by Sirota was not a departure for them. It was part of the formula that got them their audience and helps them get that audience to vote so strongly pro-Bush.
We are part of making them into a place where people MUST go to have the debate, and in doing that we guarantee our loss. I fully recognize I am part of that; I am talking about them right now and giving them a spotlight.

Like it or not, FOX is the highest rated cable network out there because we help them to be that. By trying to get our message out to a small number of their viewers, we help give them the content, discussion, and exposure for them to build a huge audience.

So we fight them, but not by helping them put on their little shows. We fight to diversify the ways people can get their information, we fight the consolidation of media ownership, and we support the efforts of watchdogs like Media Matters so that after we leave them without credible voices to obfuscate their lies we can marginalize their lies.

Don't pay for their megaphone if they will let us use it briefly once every two weeks. Build better megaphones, and pass them out to everyone in the crowd.


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Disagree (3.67 / 3)
If you think they wouldn't have aired precisely that show without me - only with no voice speaking up against their ridiculous rhetoric -  then I have some real estate to sell you.

Oh, and Saturday morning Fox News is not a "big show" - not only because few people watch at that time, but because, um, I don't think a lot of Fox News viewers are my audience of book buyers.


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A matter of scale (0.00 / 0)
If I think it is a big show, it is only because I am one of the little guys. From where I sit, cable access looks like Hollywood.

If someone had to be there, I am glad it was you and I agreed with everything you said.

But if nobody was there, and we gave zero support to their claims of balance, we could attack them better from outside of the stages that they control.

The Dems could have made all of the same arguments about why they 'needed' to have a debate on their channel, and many people did.

In the end, I believe that refusing to play on their stage helped get the progressive message out better than allowing them to be the filter.


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What to do about Fox News-cont (0.00 / 0)
  Apparently Grandview doesn't realize the grownups are trying to have a conversation.

  My point is this.  Fox News has already been marginalized quite a bit, Democrats don't take them seriously, independents know where there they are coming from, and even most Republicans would grudgingly admit in private where Fox stands politically.  I think you are absolutely correct that we have to continue to fight them using a group like Mediamatters.  However there are those hardened Republicans who only get their information from Fox News or talk radio and unless progressive voices appear in these places, those people will never get another perspective.  So to use your analogy, sure we have to build better megaphones, but that doesn't mean we can refuse the ones handed to us just because we don't like the fit.

  For example, I met a guy a few weeks ago who admitted that he was once a Rush Limbaugh guy, ate up everything he said.  He made a joke that everything changed when he went back to college.  Basically he began to read things that made him question his entire belief system and today the guy is running for office as a Democrat.  Most of the Fox News viewers who see a guy like Sirota probably think the guy is a Pinko Commie, but if just a few people can be reached then it is worth it.  Who knows how many Joe Whitcombs there are out there?


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Poverty Peaceniks Love Drug War (3.00 / 1)
Conservatives want to stop the "War on Poverty" because efforts thus far have not eradicated poverty. Yet they want to continue the "War on Drugs," which has not eradicated illegal drugs and has actually led to even more/cheaper/purer illegal drugs.

Get me some of whatever they're on...


I hate these shows (0.00 / 0)
they have nothing to do with business or analysis of the "bulls and bears".  How many of these idiots called the latest wall street down turn?  I have heard liberal wall street analysts like bonddad talk about the mess we are in right with bear stearns for going on six months.  I have a business degree and I take nothing away from these shows in the way of good business analysis.  This show only exist to just feed right wing talking points.

Back on topic - Education is the key to ending poverty, spend money on our people, empower them and teach the skills they need to succeed.  Republicans have starved public education for years now, they bitch about every dime that goes to public schools and university.  Republicans don't want us to get too smart because then we might figure out how we are being screwed in this country.

Here is an economics 101 for fox noise and a news flash for Mr. Boot Straps - investments from previous generations have helped all of us succeed.  They gave you those boot straps, idiot.  This country didn't magically get this way...and it won't magically stay this way.

I live in the state with the greatest snow on earth.


WWF (4.00 / 1)
I like that Sirota now gets to say he has sparred against Death Mask Bradshaw.

The guy they introduce as "North East Securities Senior Vice President" is far better known as a pro-wrestling announcer.

After years working for World Wrestling Entertainment, where he still works to this day, Mr. I-worked-my-way-up-by-my-bootstraps married a Canadian Imperial Bank of Canada executive director and decided he was now qualified to give investment advice.


You got to be kidding me? (0.00 / 0)
You mean I have taken more economics classes than Mr. Economics 101 himself.  So his most important business decision was saying "I DO".

I rest my case, these shows are a joke.  They don't care about business, they don't care about the stock market, this is about shoving the right wing blow horn down our throats.

I am inclined to agree with TBTH that no one from our side should ever go on these shows.  These shows really are professional wrestling for political pundits, don't do them David, you are better than this.

I live in the state with the greatest snow on earth.


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