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Borrow And Spend Republicans Unveil Tax Cut Package

by: Bill Egnor AKA Something The Dog Said

Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 06:33:24 AM MST


There is something about Washington and taxes that seems to destroy the ability of law makers to do simple math. This seems to afflict Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats the worst. The Washington Post is reporting about the roll out of the Republicans Orwellianly named tax plan, the Tax Hike Prevention Act. Sen. Mitch McConnell (the man voted most likely to turn into a snapping turtle in our lifetimes)  has put the idea on the table permanently extend all of the Bush era tax cuts, including the ones for the ultra wealthy, that top 2% of all earners.

From the WaPo :

"We have a spending problem. We spend too much. We don't have a taxing problem. We don't tax too little," McConnell told reporters Tuesday. "And if we want to begin to get ourselves out of this economic trough that we're in, the only way to do that is to grow the private sector."
Bill Egnor AKA Something The Dog Said :: Borrow And Spend Republicans Unveil Tax Cut Package
This is insane. We are currently collecting tax revenues at the same we did in 1950. In 2009 taxes were 9.2% of all personal income, just like it was when Harry Truman was president. A lot of things have changed since that time, the population has doubled and unlike now, in 1950 the United States was running a surplus. For Senator McConnell to say we are taxing too much is just another example of Republican bizzaro world, where black is white and up is down.

It is true there are other differences from 1950; we have enacted more social safety net programs since President Truman's time. Medicare and Medicaid have assured that our poor and elderly are no longer left completely on their own for health care. These are expensive programs to be sure, but they are also very popular. To get the 3.9 trillion (39,000 billion, don't cha' know?) the THPA would cost over the next decade we would have to either barrow all that money or make deep, even draconian cuts in the Federal Budget.

There might be a way to do that, if the cuts were going to be spread out over the whole budget (still a really bad idea) but the Republicans are not going to let defense spending be on the table. They will go after the very programs that provide a safety net for all citizens, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.

The reality is that we under tax. We have for decades, which is why we have the level of debt that we do. The Bush administration is the first in the history of the United States that did not raise taxes during a time of war. They poured hundreds of billions into our military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, borrowing all the while. This was on top of the unpaid for tax cuts which are due to expire this December. The result is the huge deficits which we now have. They knew what they were doing, the criminal Vice President Dick Cheney famously (or is that infamously?) said that deficits don't matter. Well, they really do. When you spend more money than you have sooner of later you have to pay it back. The time to start paying it back is now and the people who need to start are the ones who have benefited the most from the Bush tax cuts, the ultra wealthy. For those making a million dollars or more a year the Bush tax cuts have meant that they did not pay $100,000 in taxes a year. That is more that the vast majority of us make in a year.

This meme that the public sector will create more jobs if there is less tax on personal income is also a fallacy. The very same Bush tax cuts that Sen. McConnell wants to extend in perpetuity were in place during most of the Bush administration. The total net number of jobs created during the entire Bush presidency was a negative 630,000. In an economy that is struggling to create enough jobs for the millions of unemployed no policy that failed this spectacularly should be taken seriously.

There was a time when the Republicans were not insane on taxes. Their patron saint, President Regan raised taxes in seven of his eight years. While I was never a fan of the Gipper, he did know that there were times when taxes must go up. Even though he spent a hell of a lot more than he collected and expanded the federal debt more than just about any other administration he knew there was a limit to the amount that could be borrowed. This seems to be lost on Sen. McConnell and the Republicans.

They have gotten themselves in a real box. By encouraging their radically reactionary base, with its insistence on ideological purity, they have left themselves with no room to maneuver. The public is not willing to see major cuts in federal programs. Even the Tea Party folks don't want Social Security and Medicare cut. Yet that same base is not going to go along with tax increases which will be required.

All this leads to the Republicans turning themselves into pretzels. They have to insist that tax cuts don't have to be paid for, but we must reduce the deficit. Well there are two ways to reduce a deficit, you can cut programs or you can collect more revenue. We have seen what borrow and spend Republicans will do to our nation. It is time to return to the collecting the proper amount of money from our ultra wealthy so we can pay for the things this nation needs, like roads and bridges and high speed freight. Tax and spend might have sounded bad, but borrow and spend is worse.

The floor is yours.  

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In the 50's Defense Was Lower
This is insane. We are currently collecting tax revenues at the same we did in 1950. In 2009 taxes were 9.2% of all personal income, just like it was when Harry Truman was president. A lot of things have changed since that time, the population has doubled and unlike now, in 1950 the United States was running a surplus. For Senator McConnell to say we are taxing too much is just another example of Republican bizzaro world, where black is white and up is down.

It is important to remember that labor cost as a percentage of the Defense budget is many times higher than in the 1950's because there was a military draft, keeping labor costs lower.  


"Starve the Beast"
There is some sense to this madness if we consider that the goal of the radical Republicans is to destroy all semblance of the social safety net and any regulation.  If they can keep citizens focused on the deficit and cut taxes, they will simply dry up any ability of the Federal Government to make any kind of expenditure. As each year passes, it will take more and higher tax rates to make up the difference; and the country will slide into third world status. They don't care because their masters will have the bulk of American assets and will pay them well...they hope.

It's not just the Republicans.
The Democratic Party has been hijacked by those very same nefarious influences.  Until enough people come to grips with that fact and decide to join the real fight, we have no chance of turn back the rising tide of corporate plutocracy.  

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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." --- Britney Spears, September 2003


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I Fail to See How You Can Conclude This
The Democratic Party has been hijacked by those very same nefarious influences.  Until enough people come to grips with that fact and decide to join the real fight, we have no chance of turn back the rising tide of corporate plutocracy.  

The Republicans have held much of the levers of power for more than 60% of the past 20 years.  During that time, they have led the destruction of regulatory processes, encouraged financial bubbles and started a war without raising taxes.  Even if some Democratic Congresspersons voted along with this, the leadership and control of Congress was with the Republicans who did not allow any amendments from the Democratic side.  In the same way, this also occurred at the state level.

Please expand with specific examples.  


[ Parent ]
Really?
Please expand with specific examples.

Let's start with the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.  Those were two keystones of the deregulation movement, and they were championed and signed into law by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat.

More recently, we have a Democratic president and Democratic Congress who've refused to support adequate re-regulation of Wall Street or make an honest attempt to end the policy of "too big to fail."  That comes on the heals of health care "reform" legislation that does far more to pad corporate pockets than to actually address the problems of our health-care system.  


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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." --- Britney Spears, September 2003


[ Parent ]
Yes, Really
Let's start with the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.  Those were two keystones of the deregulation movement, and they were championed and signed into law by President Bill Clinton, a Democrat.

And both were passed overwhelmingly by a Republican Congress. Remember that Clinton was fighting an impeachment by those same Republicans who controlled the Congress, to such a degree that there were hearings to which the minority was not invited.

As to the re-regulation of Wall Street, consider for a moment that nothing passes the US Senate without a super majority.

Your complaint about health care will be fulfilled if there is a strong enough Republican takeover of Congress and, possibly, the White House in 2012. None of us like half-way measures, but acting like a Tea Bag Express toward Democratic office holders in a state where we are the minority will not gain any power for anyone but the Ken Bucks of the world.

If you want to blame the Democrats, go ahead; but you are sadly mistaken and misguided in your attack.  

If you think for a moment that everything will get better in 2012, I fear that you will not find much you favor then without a strong counterforce against those who would take us back to 1929.  If you doubt me, justify the votes for Nader in Florida in 2000 without witch we would have a balanced budget and likely many of the reforms we all want.  


[ Parent ]
I'm sorry, but that's just wrong in so many ways.
- What does the impeachment have to do with this? Clinton wholeheartedly advanced Reaganistic deregulation on a massive scale only because he got caught lying about a dalliance with an intern? Gimme a break.

- It need not be true that nothing passes the Senate without a supermajority. And, more important, it is certain that nothing passes the Senate if it's never even proposed for a floor vote.

- Who's "acting like a Tea Bag Express"? Frankly, maybe you should go aim that allegation in the mirror, friend.  If you support the Corporate Dem agenda, you are the one who is aligned with the "tea party." And what is this "in a state where we are the minority" nonsense?  The fact is that Democrats gained the governorship, both chambers of the legislature, both U.S. Senate seats, and a majority of the U.S House seats -- by running on largely progressive principles and thus exciting the support of the base. But they have failed to govern by the principles for which they were elected.

- I'm not "attacking."  I'm expressing reasonable views and withholding my vote from candidates whom I do not support.  That's called democracy.



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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." --- Britney Spears, September 2003


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p.s.
The health care overhaul was not a "half-way measure" -- it was a gargantuan step in the wrong direction.

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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." --- Britney Spears, September 2003


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Framing
We don't have a taxing problem. We don't tax too little

McConnell pre-emptively takes away a potentially strong point the Dems could make, if they ever cared to do so.  We do tax too little.  Even if Dems want to get into the detail-weeds they like so much, they could point out a couple of examples of things what would suffer as a direct result of making the tax giveaways to millionaires permanent.

Like clean water?  Too bad, the local water treatment plant is going belly-up because the Cons want tax breaks for millionaires.

Like to drive over a safe bridge?  Too bad, that bridge is close to collapsing because the Cons want tax breaks for millionaires instead of fixing it.

Think support for ending tax breaks for millionaires is strong now?  Imagine what it would be if Dems didn't typically cede the argument to Cons like McConnell.  We'll see what "bipartisanship" gets us in the end.


Tax Cut Package
From few years American's are abusing by revenue tax in their life.In that case Republicans are also insist that tax cuts have to paid but reduce the deficit.But i don't think that govt. will response that kind of issue.

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