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Two Problems In Reconciliation Bill

by: WeatherDem

Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 07:18:57 AM MST


Overnight last night, the Senate parliamentarian identified two provisions in the reconciliation bill that have to be fixed.  Doing so means the bill will be sent back to the House for another vote.

The lefty blogosphere and radio/tv has been very active the past couple of days with the need for Senate Democrats to remain absolutely committed to defeat every amendment Republicans proposed as well as prevent any amendment from being proposed by Democrats.  Surprisingly, the Senate Dems were accomplishing just that through last night's session.  Over two dozen amendments were rejected.

With the parliamentarian's decision last night, the requirement against any amendments has now dissolved.  The bill is headed back to the House.

WeatherDem :: Two Problems In Reconciliation Bill
Sen. Bennet had previously promised Coloradans he would introduce the public option, in an attempt to drum up support from the Democratic base.  With the Senate Dems deciding against any amendments whatsoever, discussion centered around introducing the public option at an undefined later date.

Arguments put forth by commenters at this and other sites ranged from the non-constructive - "you want to kill the bill, just like the Republicans!" to more valid process arguments.  Sen. Bennet himself cited the process as the sole reason why he wouldn't introduce a public option amendment.

As a public option supporter, I'm interested in what the next move will be.  Will Sen. Bennet (or Sen. Sanders) introduce a public option amendment now that the process argument is invalid?

Of course, if the "There aren't 50 votes" argument becomes the reason, inaction will continue to rule.  Senate leadership likely knows the approximate number of votes a public option vote would and would not garner.  Right now, the public does not.  I would bet Senate Dems make the decision to keep it that way.  We can't hold them accountable or know who to put pressure on if we don't know how they would vote.

Left unsaid in most of the conversations is the behind-the-scenes deal President Obama made with insurance corporations to keep the public option out of the final legislative package.

Sen. Bennet's office numbers are:
Denver: 303 455-7600
D.C.:     202 224-5852

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It looks like the Senate plans to continue with their original plan - vote down the remainder of amendments, fix the language and send the bill straight to the House for another vote.

This makes me feel ill
Of course, the Right has been flexing the only muscle they have these days: intimidation, and anyone who has thought it wasn't going to get violent has been fooling themselves. This means our Democratic representatives are going to have to get extra ballsy and not only vote and pass again, but are going to have to denounce the violence.

Republicans need to come over in support of a less disruptive process. Is anyone shocked the Klan mentality has erupted over this?  


Scary times
By inciting their fringe for over a year, violence has already broken out.  I fear it will only escalate until someone is hurt or killed.  That kind of tragedy will thwart any kind of momentum the Democrats have.

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The Republicans aren't responsible enough
to denounce the ineffectiveness of this strategy. Health care for all is coming. By perpetrating violence and hate, they're only making themselves look like the klan and the pigs from the CRE.  

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I don't understand.
If this is really about the public option, creating a separate stand-alone bill (Bennet's plan) is a no-brainer.  We can't do anything to risk this bill. We still need to push it through as quickly as possible. Then, let's quickly get a stand-alone public option bill on the table.

Win-win-win-win.

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It isn't about the public option
it's about a technicality that Republicans have identified and now they want to buy they time necessary for pressuring Dems into not allowing it to pass (read: intimidation by any means necessary).

Am I wrong?  


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Exactly, Fong.
n't

Keeping the reconciliation bill in the House, for any amount of time, is like letting your baby play in the street. Get the bill passed through the House and the Senate as quickly as possible, then draft a new bill just for the public option.

Anyone play the board game Trouble or Sorry here? I do. You know how vulnerable your peg is when it has gone all the way around the board and is close to being in the "safe zone"?  You want to protect the one you have invested so much in, first.  Then start a new one, and protect that one, too.  

My opinions here do not reflect any organization or group with which I may be affiliated.  


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No
We already know that the public option can't pass a 60-vote threshold. It already didn't after being passed by the House in November and stripped by the Senate in December to get 60 votes. And that was while they had 60 Senators in the Democratic Caucus. The "start a new one" strategy isn't a way to actually get a public option. It's an effort to allow over 50 Democratic votes for it, without jeopardizing the pledge to Cigna, Wellpoint, etc. that no public option would pass.

I note that suddenly you don't seem to think that sending the reconciliation bill back to the House killed it. That was the party line yesterday. There's no doubt the Republicans raised this point of order, but watching the proceedings on the Senate floor today, they didn't attempt to make that delay it any longer. The vote still happened at 2 PM EDT as planned.


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Evidence
Where is the evidence that changing the bill to include a public option already approved last November in the House would kill or even "risk" this bill? House Democratic leadership, including the Speaker and the Whip, have both said they had the votes to pass that public option again. Yesterday we were told over and over that even one change would "kill the bill" and that those of us seeking to re-insert any public option were on the side of the Republicans.

Recall also that during the debate in the House and after House passage, we were told what wonderful education benefits were in this reconciliation bill. Among those great things for education were increases in Pell grants. Some of these increases are in the provisions that must be removed if the Parliamentarian's ruling is correct. But, of course, now those are only technical changes that we shouldn't worry about (move along... nothing to see here).

The strategy to keep the promises to the insurance industry, while only appearing to keep promises to the people, are so transparent. How convenient that Bennet will be allowed to bring a separate stand-alone bill that will not be considered in reconciliation! Then 53 or 55 or whatever number of Democratic Senators will vote aye, but those nasty Republicans will refuse to allow cloture so that just won't be enough votes. Bennet will then campaign about how hard he tried to get the public option. Win-win for him and the insurance industry! And he's getting support from all the captive liberal groups!


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House Democratic leadership, including the Speaker and the Whip, have both said they had the votes to pass that public option again
Great!

So why not push on the House to introduce the Amendment.
Degette and POlis seem like good doors to knock on.

Oh wait, neither of them are in a primary.


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Do it now while it's attainable
A separate bill in the future would almost certainly require a 60-vote super majority for cloture. We don't have that now, and we will likely lose seats in the midterm.

But an amendment to this recon bill only needs 50 votes. So this is our last best chance to get this right. So, yes, this sure is a "no-brainer."

Mr. Bennet made a big attention-getting production out of claiming that he wanted to introduce a public-option amendment through reconciliation.  Then, his excuse for not actually doing it was that he wanted to avoid sending the bill back to the House. Well, that convenient bit of political cover just went up in flames. It's time for him to walk his talk. If he doesn't follow through with his promise, well, everyone can draw their own conclusions.

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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." --- Britney Spears, September 2003


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Peter
Forget the campaign for ten minutes, okay?  This is about human lives, not Andrew.

Senator Reid has instructed the Senate to get the reconciliation bill passed before the Easter/Passover break. Every minute it spends in the House reduces its chance of being passed at all. There are not enough votes for the public option right now -- Reid is trying to save what's left, and pass the public option separately with a up or down, stand-alone vote.

How many times does this have to be explained before you get it? Seriously.

My opinions here do not reflect any organization or group with which I may be affiliated.  


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Like I said
It's obvious the Senate either doesn't have 50 votes or doesn't want to try to find 50 votes.  And if they don't have 50, they don't have 60.

Preventing a public option amendment now in favor of a stand-alone bill later is therefore pointless.  It's pushing the issue to another Congress.  But rather than telling that to the public, Dem leadership has been content to entice the base with scenarios they've already determined will fail.  They might think its good politics now, but its bad in the long run.


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50 or 60
I predict there will be other reconciliation bills before Christmas eve.

Get the House to tag it onto one of those.


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