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by: johne

08/09/09 @ 12:11:41 AM MDT


After hastily making my sign, I got to the King Soopers in Brighton just a little bit early. There were already a number of people in line to meet with Ed, and another handful standing in the islands between parking lanes. As the crowd slowly grew from about 12:30 to 1pm or so the group took up most of the space in front of the store while still keeping the entrace open. I'm sure people who were just going to get groceries were wondering what the heck was going on.

My sign had two sides. On one it said, "Jesus is my single payer." On the other, "No socialized medicine. Get rid of the VA and Medicare." I wanted to see what kind of reaction I would get. It was mostly as I expected. A few weren't sure about me and asked. I explained it was to point out that those who say the first part don't seem to have a problem with the other part. I was just trying to point that out.

At first the people not in line seemed to be separated by an imaginary line. On one side were those wanting health care reform. On the other the opposed, tea baggers, some minutemen, etc. When I would stand on the side with the latter, I would comments like, "Right on", You're on the right side", and "You got it." When I was with the supporters, people would either laugh, or ask me about the sign because they weren't sure how to take it. So, just like conservatives who like to watch Steven Colbert, many of the tea baggers there today weren't smart enough to know I was making fun of them.

Somewhere around 1pm Ed got there and spoke. This was my other experiment. I jailbroke my iphone and installed qik which lets me live stream video. I think this turned out pretty well for a camera that was never even designed to do video. Sorry about the shakiness and the butt shots.

After the fold are various photos.

johne :: Town hall in Brighton with Ed Perlmutter, a social experiment
communism
I thought this was all about health care, but to this guy it seems to be opposition to Obama along with the typical Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck agenda of communism.

no socialized anything?
I should have asked this woman about Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, and the health care the Pentagon provides for serving military.

death pill
A yes, the plan is going to kill seniors. At one point I actually had a conversation with two women who were concerned about this. I asked if they've read the bill. One's reply was that that section starts on page 425. I again asked if she'd read the bill. She had not. I explained I had read that section, and it clearly states decisions about end of life care are between the person and their doctor, or physician's assistant. To that, she asked, "But, who controls the doctors?" I shook my head and walked away. There was no point.< br/>
telling the truth
This was funny.
crazy tried to start a fight
This guy was arguing with another for a while. From health care it went to something about Bush never serving and going AWOL. This guy didn't like that and started to get in the others face. The Police and several others pulled them apart from each other. This guy got a talking to.

The other interesting thing about the day was that as time went on the conservatives seemed to be leaving at a faster rate than progressives. By 2 or 2:30 (I left at 2:30) most of the pro health care reform signs seemed to be around, while only a few of the tea baggers stuck it out. If we can keep them to doing nothing more than some chanting things like, "read the bill" (which none of them have done), and showcasing their crazies, I think we stand a good chance of keeping the messaging positive around the town halls. Let's just hope we don't have any more fights and car vandalism.



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French cuffs and cufflinks (0.00 / 0)
on a Saturday?!?!?

Was the guy wearing Gucci loafers, too?


Doctors (4.00 / 1)
will be controlled via mind implants - how is it that guy didn't know that?  It says so quite clearly in the bill.  /snark

If the right-wing terrorists keep showing up and incite violence and destruction, will that change how and where Representatives like Ed Perlmutter and Jared Polis have their civic engagements?  Is there a point at which they become responsible for providing security, for example?

A Responsible Plan for Iraq: endorsed by Jared Polis


I very much like your sign (4.00 / 1)
It is a great way to start a potentially rational discussion.

It is clear that a lot of folks on the right have not been educated about the advantages health care reform would have for them.

Keeping costs down, does not mean cutting care, it means cutting out waste in the administration costs, and having insurance companies pay doctors for six unnecessary tests that provide nothing but profits for equipment makers, insurance companies, and doctors that own stock in the equipment companies.

Thanks for your report.

I'd say overall Ed's idea of sitting down one on one, avoids the screaming over kill. It allows folks to mingle and converse.

I say it turned out well.

inspire change..... don't back down


They Are the Gopers Shock Troops (0.00 / 0)
Uneducated and unwilling to listen to any but their own authoritarian leaders.  The GOP sent these creeps out and we need to become highly focused on driving all their statewide office holders out of office. The way to do that is to get the Denver voters out en mass the next few cycles.  After they lose a few more elections, they will either try something very stupid or, more likely, crawl back under the rocks where they rear and educat their young.  

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Anyone going? (0.00 / 0)
Rep. Mike Coffman is holding a town hall this Wednesday (Aug 12)at 6:30 PM.

Arapahoe County Admin Bldg
East Hearing Room
5334 S Prince St
Littleton, CO 80166


Got my own video of the event. (4.00 / 1)
Just to let you know, you caught a picture of me - I'm the guy holding the sign saying "ASTROTURF SPONSORED BY AHIP & PhRMA."

Anyways, mingling with the teabaggers, I heard one ranting on Obama, saw the opportunity to catch her on record, and got this little video...

She's a real rocket scientist, isn't she...


Nice Pictures! (0.00 / 0)
Great pics of the event!  I showed up at the event a little late, and made my sign outside of kings.  I was the "french cuffs" guy with the sign referring to communism.  I don't really think it's fair to minimize me by saying "the typical Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck agenda of communism." guy.  I spoke with tons of people on both sides of the issue.  At that event I was happy to see all of the pro-obamacare supporters and the people opposing the bill.  It was democracy in action, the community stepping up on both sides and having real conversations in our community was / is what makes our republic beautiful.  I saw all of those "health care reform" signs, and I told many people that I really think that we need serious reform, I just really don't like this kind of reform.  If anyone is interested in digging deeper into this discussion or the topic, I plead with you to please do some basic research in to "The HMO act of 63" it's quite a vile piece of legislation, and until our politicians start repealing legislation that has aided in the decay of affordable health care, I really do not feel they are doing us any favors.

I also ask you do not attack me personally because my views differ.  I would also like to disclose before you decide to label me that I am not a republican.  I am also not a democrat.

Before I get a "right wing crazy agenda label" let me share a few other positions.

1.  I am pro-american
2.  I am anti-abortion and also VERY Pro-Choice
3.  I am more or less Agnostic
4.  I believe the ENTIRE constitution matters.
5.  Yes, I am pro gun rights (2nd amendment baby)
6.  I am pro-gay marriage
7.  I protested at many anti-war rallies against iraq and afghanistan.  I would also like to know what happened to the war, and why people are not still upset and do not demand withdraw now!
8.  I am also Pro-French Cuffs, I actually wore that shirt because I just bought those cufflinks and was stoked to wear them, I also own my own business and had a meeting that day before the town hall. (I work on saturdays too :D  )


right wing crazy label- here you go (0.00 / 0)
Saying that Obama is the number 1 communist is straight from tea baggers who think getting a middle class tax cut from Obama is communism.  Just what part of forcing private insurance companies from contiuing to screw the American public is communism?  

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Good Point, I have differing views (0.00 / 0)
I am a big history guy, I love my history, but if you look at America, say from ww1 forward, you can see that there are many advances towards communism since.  Income tax was a new invention, then progressive tax scale etc.  I look at taxes like this,

You pay a tax for a service from the government, I don't understand why the more you make, the more you pay, even by default if your paying a percentage it's that way, but in our system it's a percentage and that percentage goes up when you make more $!  Now, do you really believe that someone who makes 8,000 a year uses the same amount of services as someone who makes 300,000.00 a year?  I would suggest the low income individual pays no tax, and uses more services than the individual who makes 300,000.  That my friend is wealth re-distribution.  Now Obama did not invent the progressive tax scale, we have had it for a really long time.  I call Obama a communist because at the root of communism you end up with 1 result, you take the top of distribution of the economy and those people have a devastating effect of their quality of life, you take the middle class and they have a devastating impact of their lifestyle and wealth and then you have the poor and you get a improvement on their lifestyle.  Well I TRULY believe I will pay more, get less, and I believe that this system is socialist or is in the end "Socialized Medicine" socialism and Communism are different things, but unfortunately as Americans the word socialism is becoming more and more acceptable.  Communism is not the correct word for Obama yet, but I believe socialist is.  Also here is more evidence that Obama could well be a communist.

1.  Nationalizing Banking system.
(Communist governments nationalize private industry)
2.  Nationalizing over 2/3 of our Auto Industry.

Please don't be offended, these are just my views and I am not a political punditry Zombie, these are MY observations and MY thoughts.


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