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The Importance of Process

by: Steve Harvey

Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 12:45:15 PM MST


( - promoted by Fong)

First, as a former frequent poster on that other political blog (TOPB, from now on), and soon-to-be frequent poster on this one, I thought I'd start with a little introduction of myself as a blogger. One thing that is a bit different about my approach is that I am more focused on fundamental principles, systemic structure and dynamics, and, in general, overarching abstractions, than I am on the particular vessels and driftwood floating on their currents. Some of my posts frame typical political fodder in this way, and some don't get to the fodder at all.

I'm writing that disclaimer because this diary, for the most part, is of the latter variety. It's not about the hot events of the day, the battling candidates, the particular policy proposals in the pipeline, but rather about an overarching principle, one which we forget in the heat of our passions and the hunger of our will.

Steve Harvey :: The Importance of Process
But process is, in a sense, everything. Three recent narratives drive this home with renewed vigor: My sojourn as a law student; the rancorous primary our party is undergoing in Colorado's U.S. Senate race; and, yes, my altercation with TOPB.

One of my law professors once said that the faction that gets to write the procedural provisions of a bill can kill it or make it work at will. In constitutional and criminal law, due process is everything. A well-designed and well-functioning legal system is less about the results than about how they are achieved, because otherwise it is not "rule of law", but rather "the ends justify the means". Many people find it intolerable that a person who we all think we know is guilty can go free; I would find it intolerable if we subordinated our legal processes instead to what we all think we know. The commitment to process is where the protection of civil rights resides.

One of the legal phrases that captures the failure to adhere to this commitment to process is "arbitrary and capricious". What a lovely phrase! Nobody likes to be treated arbitrarily and capriciously. Everybody recognizes the injustice of that, though it still survives in many areas of our collective existence. Most of our procedural protections protect us against the government, not from one another. In most situations, those with power over others have vast legal lattitude to act arbitrarily and capriciously at the institutionally, socially, or personally weaker party's expense.

And this fact should not be swept under the rug with "it's their right!" Sure, people with such power, be they employers, spouses, or owners of a vital resource, have broad rights to dispose of as they please the desired thing they hold (or withhold) access to (e.g., employment, affection or support, the material or institutional resource), but that does not make it right to do so arbitrarily and capriciously. This, in fact, is one of the instances when private ownership can run up against the public interest: The private ownership may have driven the extraction, production, or availability of the desired resource, but it may also turn it into a lever to be used by some over others, with which much mischief can be done.

My recent experience with TOPB brought home the lesson that, on all levels and in all spheres of life, rules that are not implemented, interpreted, and reviewed by some transparent process designed to ensure their fair and effective execution, are a mere sham, more pernicious than simply the admission of a commitment to arbitrary and capricious decision-making, because it combines that defect with the insidious pretense of not being infected by it.

For example, some Romanoff supporters have renamed TOPB in honor of Andrew's opponent, because they feel that TOPB unfairly favors that opponent. The response always is "it's their blog, and they can do with it what they want." Yes, they can. They can make any claim that falls short of libel, no matter how inaccurate or damaging it may be, and can do so with impunity. That does not make it right. That does not make it something that serves the public interest. That does not make it admirable.

And being admirable counts. Serving the public interest counts. Doing what's right counts. We are not just a nation of laws, but also a society of values, affected both by our own conscience and by the reactions of those around us. Such social approval and disapproval can often fill in the interstices, where law has not gone or cannot go. It can be informal (looking askance at someone who has done something highly objectionable) or it can be organized (boycotting a private enterprise that has done something highly objectionable). And it is a very powerful force, sometimes liberating, and sometimes oppressive.

As for that primary race itself, it doesn't matter so much what the substance of our individual judgments are, as the process by which we discuss and debate them. None of us are privvy to the indisputable and absolute truth. We are all fallable, all muddling along in a complex and subtle world. Let's do our best to muddle along as reasonable people of goodwill, working together to improve the quality of life for all of us.

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We miss you Steve, or should I say
'John Doe'?  Come back to the light...

Thanks, CT.
I really appreciate that.

I'll do my best to stay in "the light", but it's not going to be the fading light at TOPB. Eventually, I'll almost certainly launch my own blog, and try to learn from both Pols' successes and failures when doing so, as well as trying to take it in a more analytical and imaginative direction without killing it by doing so.

Aside from including more social analysis, it will also include more imaginative explorations of our shared existence in Colorado, such as more narratives and stories about our lives here. But for now I have too much on my plate to make that happen.

Keep in touch, CT (and other Polster friends who may read this). Feel free to email me, anytime, at steve.harvey.hd28@gmail.com. I'd love to get together for a beer sometime.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


[ Parent ]
Steve, sorry this happened
sounds like a bad move by TOPB.
I think you are neutral or maybe supporting Bennet, but regardless of how you feel about that, TOPB has staked all their credibility on that Senate Primary.
I'd imagine if he loses TOPB will lose a lot of fans who I suggest should come here.

[ Parent ]
Thanks Wade.
I think we should all stake less on our specific positions in any given instance or race, and more on our commitment to reason and goodwill. I don't care what position anyone takes, even if it's an outright conservative one, as long as they are remaining committed to being a reasonable person of goodwill, working together with other reasonable people of goodwill to confront the challenges and opportunitis of a complex and subtle world.

It's not right or wrong to support either Bennet or Romanoff, it's only wrong to do either unable or unwilling to make the best arguments possible against your own position, and then explain in some compelling way why they do not prevail (something I recently went into in another context on TOPB). And it's always right to suspend one's judgments and conclusions long enough to consider competing arguments, and come to well-considered and never-petrified positions as a result.

Passion is a wonderful thing, and a very valuable part of our lives and our political activities, but it should never be divorced from the guiding light of reason.

I appreciate your words of goodwill, and hope that we continue in that spirit, but I don't think we should stake our allegiences on any one contest or one issue. Rather, we should all strive to be patient with others, and all strive to make easier for others to be patient with us, while using our minds and hearts and imaginations to do the very best we can.  

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


[ Parent ]
I should add that I agree with you, Wade.
I'd very much like to see SquareState displace TOPB, because I think we (all of us) can do better. But to accomplish that, S2 is going to not only have to preserve what distinguishes it, but also emulate some of what doesn't, and create some more of what should.

To the extent that anyone cares what I think on the subject, one thing that TOPB has done well is to be accommodating enough to diverse views that it has attracted a large readership and large degree and range of participation. One thing it has done poorly is to accommodate those who are there to derail intelligent conversation rather than contribute to it (which, in the end, is what derailed me).

A great political blog should accomodate diversity, but not mere flaming. It should be robust and stimulating with the amount of novel ideas and insights that it generates, rather than a mud-pit of blindly conflicting arbitrary opinions. It should be topical and informative, but not just a place where factoids and passing events are regurgitated. It should be a vehicle that makes everyone better and brighter, rather than worse and dumber.

If we want SquareState to be that blog, then we'll have to make it happen. I haven't talked with the owners yet to sound out their vision (though they should know that I'm interested in doing that). But I know what I'd like to contribute, and where I'd like to see it go. How well that articulates with and contributes to the vision of others is something we'll just have to wait and see.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


[ Parent ]
It's funny
Since you've been gone, beej has been much better behaved. Much less obnoxious. I wonder if this somehow hasn't taken him aback, even though he asked for your ouster.

[ Parent ]
I suspect so.
Well, some good may have come from it, and may come from it still.

Of course, it's been hard on me. I got a call that made me feel much worse about having indulged in such folly (not the folly Pols accused me of, which is in their own imagination, but the folly of being drawn that far into a pissing context), and a reminder that once you put it out there, there's no calling it back. I'm really going to strive mightily to not engage with anyone in that way ever again, no matter how tempting it may be.

Hold me to it.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


[ Parent ]
One more comment about TOPB.
It's not any position they've taken, or any single action, that has alienated me, though certainly the recent incident was the coup de grace. The fatal flaw of TOPB is the arrogance of those who write under its name, and manage the site. Everything they post and everything they do is designed to signal superiority and infallability.

Some people think it's ironic that I am constantly preaching the virtues of humility, because, to many, it does not appear that I have sufficiently mastered it myself. (The same can be said for my preaching of goodwill, when to many, it may seem as though I'm perfectly willing to rip someone apart when they've ignited my ire). There are two explanations (excuses?): 1) You don't have to have mastered something personally to encourage all of us together to strive to do better; and 2) Both involve two different forms of the quality in question.

There is the humility of acting imperfect and fallable so as to be less offensive to others (the type I haven't mastered, especially in this medium), and there is the humility of knowing that you are imperfect and fallable, in order to more soundly build yourself on that foundation (which is something I believe I really have done and continue to do..., if I may say so myself!).

Similarly, there is the ill-will of opposing and/or disliking people simply for belonging to a different race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, party, ideology, or whatever; and there is the ill-will of opposing and/or disliking others for being irrational and belligerent, independently of any group they belong to or any ideology they adhere to (to the extent that ideology and rationality are seperable, since rationality is an ideology of sorts). It is the former that I preach against, even when it comes to dramatic differences of political ideology, and the latter in which I admittedly overindulge.

But the main point is that arrogance serves no one, least of all those who are trying to facilitate a shared adventure, a shared exploration of reality. We really do need to start with the realization that we are not all-knowing, that our beliefs are not infallable, that we are each undoubtedly wrong about some very fundamental things that we strongly believe and doggedly adhere to, and that we need to preserve the ability to hear and sincerely consider good arguments that challenge those fundamental beliefs.

The Colorado Pols authors and site-managers, for all of their talents, are utterly incapable of that. And that is why all of us Colorado progressives (and non-progressives who nevertheless want to progress) should use this site to start all over again and get it right.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." --- Britney Spears, September 2003


[ Parent ]
I just ripped Pols a new one for banning you...
... not that I think it'll have any effect, but it needed to be said.

http://www.coloradopols.com/sh...


Thanks, Raymond.
I just read it, and appreciate it very much. You hit the nail right on the head (including my agreement that getting into pissing contests with BJ was just plain dumb). Thanks again. That was a very nice gesture.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.

[ Parent ]
My Response to Colorado Pols' Statement Today
I wanted this on the record, and available for CP readers. Please, if someone could post a message, with or without a link, on the "Steve Harvey" diary where Pols' statement is posted, that my response can be found here, that would be great. Thanks!

First, CP suddenly dropped, without comment, the more damaging false claim they had made. That tells us both what they now think of that claim, and what they think of admitting to their own errors.

Second, they disregarded the two facts that, in combination, completely destroy their remaining argument: 1) BJ not only revealed information about himself over time, but posted under his own real name all the time (something they conveniently failed to acknowledge), and indicated by a frequent and open sharing of personal information about himself a complete lack of any intention to preserve any non-existent anonymity; and 2) In all other such cases, no one has ever considered the repetition of such information freely shared to constitute an "outing".

Pols claims that their rule states that any posting of identifying information of another poster is always prohibited. But that rule has never been, and could never justly be, literally interpreted. We frequently address each other by name in our responses, and mention commonly known facts about each other that were clearly not intended to be confidential. Even in unfriendly exchanges, another poster's reference to known facts about me has never been, and should never be, considered an act of "outing" me. A person who is not posting anonymously can't be outed. This is the first and only time the rule has ever been enforced in such an instance.

This claim that their rule is clear, and that the application of it in my case is both correct and inevitable, ignores the fact that the rule is worded in such a way that everyone who posts on CP is guilty of violating it. My violation, in fact, was identical to that universal innocent form in which it constantly occurs (despite the fact that it occurred in the context of an unfriendly exchange), and resembles in no way the actual act of "outing" a poster to which the rule is meant to be applied.

In other words, as at least one other poster (not me) noted, their application of this rule is completely arbitrary, and an indication that they might ban anyone at any time, by applying at their will a rule that can be used to ban anyone at any time.

I don't believe it was done out of malice, but rather due to a combination of momentary bad judgment compounded by a pathological inability to admit to error (possibly even to themselves).

Pols addressed none of this in their definitive and unyielding statement on the matter, because these are the facts that render their definitive and unyielding statement plainly wrong. A more detailed (and tedious) discussion can be found on the CP Friday Open Thread, for those who are interested. (And, believe me, it's not that interesting. I know I've had enough of it).

My apologies to the horse's corpse.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


Adendum
Pols wrote a response to another poster claiming that the fact that I posted the information "to make BJ uncomfortable" is part of what made it an outing.

But both the purpose and effect was to communicate to BJ, not to anyone else. I was not trying to make him uncomfortable by publishing to others the identifying information he had neither tried nor intended to hide. (I neither believed then, nor believe now, that that was what made him uncomfortable, because BJ had made it clear that he wasn't trying to hold that information in confidence). So you are conflating two different issues: Posting something to make someone uncomfortable is not prohibited on Pols; outing anonymous posters is. And posting non-confidential information about a non-anonymous poster has never before been functionally prohibited on Pols either. My point was that I knew his identity, because he told it to me, not that I was doing him harm by letting others know, because I knew that neither he nor I considered that something that did him any harm.

What I did is identical to the combination of every other perfectly acceptable instance of someone posting non-confidential identifying information about a non-anonymous poster, and every other non-prohibited instance of someone trying to make someone else "uncomfortable". You don't think Ralphie has tried with almost every one of his posts to make me uncomfortable? Neither of those has ever been prohibited on its own. The simultaneous occurence does not change the nature of either component.

The alchemy of combining those two essentially unrelated aspects of my post, and transmutating it into something else, is a sham. It wasn't an outing, because the information was neither confidential, nor posted to advertise what was never treated as confidential. That is the simple and incontravertable fact of the matter.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


[ Parent ]
Note:
The above adendum was originally written to Pols. I neglected to change the second-person references to them in the second and third paragraphs.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.

[ Parent ]
You know how i feel about anonymous hate, Steve.
I don't know what really went on.
You are the most articulate poster that I have read on either major blog.

The Colorado party has suffered greatly. I watched "the Crucible" a couple of days ago. If the word witch gets replaced by PAC, then I think we have hit the same mania.

527's are actually less transparent, and open to abuse.

The only way to change the society is to get the US Supreme Court to overturn it's decision from January.
That may not happen for a generation.It won't happen from any legislation brought in the US Senate.

Name of the new boss, same as the old boss--The Who


[ Parent ]
Thanks, Ray.
Personally, I'd like to see Pols become obsolete, not so much because I'm angry, as because nothing of such public important as our pre-eminent on-line political forum should be run in such a capricious and arbitrary way. We need to take the lessons of Pols and Square State and others, and create a new kind of blog, one which is governed by those who participate in it according to a procedure that ensures both fairness and functionality.

Such a blog should expand its scope but focus its purpose. It should explore policy at least as much as politics, encourage thoughtful and thorough consideration of all sides of every issue, and include more narratives that put flesh on the bones of what we are doing and why we are doing it. It should strive to be more diverse, more informative, more analytical, and more imaginative. And it's purpose should be to mutually inform, edify, organize, and motivate its participants.

As for the frenzy of the moment, life will go on once this primary and general election ends, no matter how it ends. I've published my thoughts on the two Democratic Party candidates and on the contest they are in with each other and which one will eventually be in with either Norton or Buck. But they are just my thoughts. It's more important to return to that place of sanity than get lost in the passions of false certainties.

I'm afraid that the stealth campaigns of 527's will be almost impossible to tame. The genie is out of the bottle, and both the structure of vested interests and the nature of constitutional protections is going to keep it there. While I'd love to see effective campaign finance reform, I think the real challenge lies elsewhere. We need to cultivate an electorate that is not clay in the hands of whichever message is gets more air-time. Until we accomplish that, our democracy will remain a clumsy shadow of what we imagine it to be, with the minds and wills of the sovereign manipulated by marketing experts and those with the money to employ their services to maximum effect.

We're all in this story together; let's write it well.


[ Parent ]
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