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by: swoods

01/09/09 @ 10:12:23 AM MST


(And allowing morons like this to openly serve in the miltary means more will be exposed to these morons - promoted by johne)

On his January 7 broadcast, Newsradio 850 KOA's "Gunny" Bob Newman asserted that allowing gays to serve openly in the U.S. military would increase the risk that members of the armed forces contract the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), develop AIDS, and then die "because [they] happened to get a transfusion from ... say, an openly gay person with a very active sexual, open lifestyle."

In making the claim as part of an attack on President-elect Barack Obama's pledge to allow gays to serve openly in the military, Newman cited a conversation with a "military doctor" who had called earlier in the program. However, Newman omitted that everyone applying to serve in the U.S. armed forces is screened for HIV at enlistment and every two years of service thereafter; HIV-positive applicants are excluded from service. Newman also omitted that regulations require that military members who test positive for HIV while on active duty overseas be reassigned to the United States. Further, Newman provided no facts to substantiate his assertion that allowing gays to serve openly would increase the overall number of HIV-positive military personnel serving in what he termed "battlefield" situations.

KOA's Newman claimed more gays serving in military will expose soldiers to greater HIV risk

swoods :: KOA's Newman claimed more gays serving in military will expose soldiers to greater HIV risk

From the January 7 broadcast of Newsradio 850 KOA's The Gunny Bob Show:

NEWMAN: Interesting, though, how Barack Obama, who strictly avoided military service, has -- says that the key test must be those things. He left a lot of stuff out. Like being able to fight with as much combat power as you possibly can. And if we have gays serving openly in the military, according to the military, that is going to reduce their combat power. You reduce combat power, casualties can go up.

We had a doctor call in the last hour, a military doctor, been in a long time, and he explained the dangers of HIV-AIDS on the battlefield. Especially when it comes to combat transfusions at the battalion aid station or where have you, in the back of a Hummer ambulance, wherever. And I added there's also the danger of contamination when it comes to all the first responders on scene.

Often times that's gonna be a medic or a corpsman. Or just another soldier -- doesn't have to be a medic or a corpsman or a Marine or what have you -- who faces the additional risk of HIV-AIDS contamination. And the doctor also went on to explain, you know, how these transfusions are sought and how quickly they must happen. And he pointed out that if we do this, and more and more gays join the military and they are HIV-positive or suffering from AIDS, and their blood ends up getting transfused, you know, into another military person, well, then that's a death sentence for the other person too. 303-713-8585.

This doesn't bother Barack Obama. It doesn't faze him in the least. He doesn't care if a soldier or a Marine or a SEAL or what have you gets HIV, becomes HIV-positive, and then develops AIDS and dies because he happened to get a transfusion from an, say, an openly gay person with a very active sexual, open lifestyle.

Because to Obama, what's most important is two things, being politically correct -- excuse me, three things: being politically correct; functioning as a good leftist; and number three, paying back the gay and lesbian lobby, which donated such staggering sums of money to his campaign. He owes them a lot of money.

Newman made his remarks during a diatribe in response to a January 7 Agence France Presse article that reported, "Sixteen years after Bill Clinton tried to end restrictions on gays in the military, the US armed forces under Barack Obama may be forced to give homosexuals the same welcome as non-gays." The article continued:

Under president Clinton, the policy that once saw homosexuals discharged from US military service evolved to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," allowing gays to remain in the military so long as they did not reveal their sexual orientation.

Obama has pledged to overhaul current law.

"The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited," reads an entry on the president-elect's transition website.

A statement on Change.gov, the website for Obama's presidential transition team, outlines the president-elect's position on gays in the military:

  • Repeal Don't Ask-Don't Tell: Barack Obama agrees with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili and other military experts that we need to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited. The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation. Additionally, more than 300 language experts have been fired under this policy, including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. Obama will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure it helps accomplish our national defense goals. [boldface in original]

However, in claiming that allowing gays to serve openly in the military would create "additional risk of HIV-AIDS contamination" for military medical personnel, as well as for recipients of blood transfusions in combat situations, Newman did not mention that a significant body of military regulations and procedures already exists to address such risks, specifically by keeping HIV-positive applicants out of the military and by keeping personnel who test HIV-positive while in the service from being deployed overseas.

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, "Since October 1985, the U.S. Department of Defense has routinely tested civilian applicants for military service for serologic evidence of infection with human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1)." Further, U.S. military regulations require continued testing of all active-duty personnel every two years and provide procedures for preventing those who have tested HIV-positive from serving overseas or serving as blood donors.

For example, the U.S. Army's regulations governing HIV are detailed in the 59-page Army Regulation 600-110, updated as of July 2005. Among the regulations governing testing for HIV and the administration of HIV-positive personnel in the Army, Army Reserve, and Army National Guard -- including soldiers called up for national emergencies or mobilization and deployment overseas -- are the following passages [emphasis added]:

1-15. HIV Policies

The following are established policies on HIV:

a. HIV-infected persons are not eligible for appointment or enlistment into the Regular Army (RA), the ARNG, or the USAR. (See chap 3.)

b. All active duty (AD) and RC personnel designated in chapters 2, 4, and 5 will periodically be tested and retested for evidence of HIV infection. Frequency of testing will be jointly determined by the DCS. G-1 and OTSG based on available medical and epidemiological evidence.

c. Medical follow-up and evaluation will be conducted periodically for all HIV-infected HCBs. (See chap 2 and 6.)

d. Except for those identified during the accession testing program (chap 3), HIV-infected soldiers who do not demonstrate progressive clinical illness or immunological deficiency during periodic evaluations will not be involuntarily separated solely because they are HIV-infected. (See chap 2, 4, and 7.)

e. HIV-infected AD soldiers, including Active Guard/Reserve (AGR), will be permanently limited to duty within the United States (including Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico). HIV-infected soldiers currently assigned outside the United States will be reassigned to the United States per AR 614-30 and this regulation. Direct coordination with Commander, U.S. Total Army Personnel Command (HRC), Commander, GuardPERCEN, ATTN: NGB-ARP-CT (for ARNG AGR Title 10 personnel), or Commander, ARPERCEN, ATTN: DARP-AR (for USAR AGR personnel), will be made to ensure expeditious reassignment of HIV-infected soldiers. (See chap 4.)

(1) The duty limitation discussed above does not apply to RC personnel who reside overseas, or to AD soldiers who are permanent residents of, and are currently stationed in, Guam, the Virgin Islands, or American Samoa. It does, however, apply to all AD soldiers not currently assigned to these locations, regardless of permanent residence.

(2) HIV-infected soldiers outside these areas who desire compassionate reassignment to these areas may apply per existing policy for compassionate reassignments. Requests will be considered on their merits on a case-by-case basis.

f. Conditions of national emergency and/or mobilization and deployment overseas may require reordering of priorities for screening and assignment of HIV-infected soldiers, but will not affect overseas assignment limitations. For readiness (including unit status reporting and emergency deployment readiness exercises) and mobilization purposes, AD soldiers are considered deployable if they have a negative HIV antibody test recorded within 24 months of scheduled deployment (or date of unit status report). RC soldiers are considered deployable if they have a negative HIV antibody test recorded within 5 years of scheduled deployment (or date of unit status report). However, upon mobilization, all soldiers being ordered or called to active duty will be tested for HIV antibodies within 24 hours of reporting to their mobilization station if there is no record of a negative HIV test within the previous 24 months. Initial enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) HIV test results will normally be available within 48 hours. Soldiers will not be deployed until test results are known. If the test results are negative, the soldier is considered deployable. If the initial test results are positive, the soldier will be removed from further processing until confirmatory tests are conducted and results are known. AD soldiers whose confirmatory HIV tests are positive will be assigned per paragraph e above. RC soldiers being called to AD under mobilization conditions whose confirmatory HIV tests are positive may be assigned per paragraph e above if the Assistant Secretary of the Army (Manpower and Reserve Affairs) (ASA(M&RA)) has authorized HIV-infected RC soldiers to be ordered to extended AD (EAD) under the mobilization conditions. HIV testing will continue at MEPS and training centers during mobilization.

g. HIV-infected soldiers who demonstrate rapidly progressive clinical illness or immunological deficiency may not meet medical retention standards under AR 40-501, and will be processed for physical disability under AR 635-40. (See para 4-12.)

h. It is essential that HIV-infected soldiers be encouraged to provide accurate information during the epidemiological assessment process. Accordingly, the mere presence of the HIV antibody or other medical evidence of HIV infection alone will not be used as the basis for adverse action against a soldier. (See chap 7.)

i. Soldiers found to be HIV-infected will be designated as "donor ineligible" in their medical and dental records. As part of the commander's counseling, they will be counselled and ordered not to donate blood, sperm/semen, tissues, or body organs due to the risk of HIV transmission to recipients. (See chap 2.)

Similar regulations and procedures are in effect for the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps.

-B.J.M.



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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit (3.00 / 1)


i heard (5.00 / 1)
Bob likes that

[ Parent ]
O (4.00 / 2)
Once again the fear of a gay person converting non-gay people to being gay surfaces from the swamp of deliberate ignorance.

It does not happen.  For example the Colorado House of Reps has not turned gay during the last year plus just because Rep. Mark Ferrandino resides there from Jan to May.  

Pam Bennett


Same with the Senate and Jennifer Veiga (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
This goes beyond Newman's typical bigotry (4.00 / 2)
Here he's not only perpetuating the myth that "if you're gay you must be HIV-positive," he's also offering no factual evidence to substantiate his "warning." Sadly, we have eight years of fresh combat data. However, Newman provides not a whit of evidence that any non-gay soldiers have contracted HIV due to a combat transfusion from a gay soldier.

Newman apparently hates veterans so much that he's willing to do anything to try to scare them out of serving their country.


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Not to mention (4.00 / 1)
He uses it as a way of characterizing Obama as anti-military. It's a pretty multi-layered piece of right wing distortion.

Maybe Gunny Bob can teach a weekend class on misinformation at the Independence Institute?

How to Make Your Lies More Kafka-esque
3 Credits
Instructor: Bob Newman
Saturdays 11:00 AM
Ayn Rand Memorial Lecture Hall


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GLAAD (4.00 / 1)
is a little pissed.

revolution from within

so awful (4.00 / 1)
that this kind of stupidity even increases the risk of HIV infection on a certain level.  Equating being gay with being HIV positive, especially with this kind of tone, only makes it more likely that military personnel will do their best to avoid detection for fear of being ostracized.  Straight personnel won't seek testing outside of the mandatory sessions even if they feel like they've been exposed to infection.  Gay personnel under "don't ask/don't tell" live in enough fear that they'll be outed and won't want to draw attention.

Gunny and his ilk (4.00 / 1)
Is it any wonder that this nation is so divided when there are people who command the airwaves are so willfully live in ignorance and fear?

Little Gunny Bob and his big brothers like Hannity and Savage should be allowed to speak their minds on street corners.  Their prejudices and ideology stand for what is the worst of what constitutes being human and is not what this nation needs now.

As Colorado Media Matters has done before it is time to call for a sponsors boycott of Gunny Bob.


Let's cost Gunny some money. (4.00 / 1)
I'm sure there are multiple ways to raise Bob Newman's cost of doing business as "Gunny Bob."

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