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by: RichM

11/17/08 @ 10:27:26 AM MST


( - promoted by johne)

Colorado has become one of those states, along with NC and VA, I believe, that is on the cutting edge of setting the political direction for the 21st Century America.  Up until very recently, Colorado was a largely Republican state.  Even today, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats.  However, Unaffiliated voters (including yours truly), outnumber both parties.  This has been true for quite some time.  For example, in 1992 19% of the state voted for Ross Perot, but the state ended up gaving its electoral votes to Bill Clinton.

However, over the last few elections cycles, Colorado has become more and more blue.  We now have 2 Democratic Senators (well, 1.5).  We have five of our seven Congresscritters as Dems.  Dems control both houses and the Governor's Mansion.  The reason?  As Kos has said many times - the Dems in this state have found a formula where the government engages in responsible governing - while leaving people alone to figure out their own social stances.  It has been highly successful in this state.  So successful that many longtime GOP members have abandon their party to vote Dem.  So successful that many of them are contemplating starting a third party.

RichM :: GOP Third Party?
There was an article in the Boulder Daily Camera by a gentleman named Jim Martin over the weekend.  It discusses the possibility of forming a new third party out of the ashes of the GOP.  Before discussing the article, a little perspective.  I am not a native Coloradan.  I am originally from Orange County California.  When my wife and I married in 1990, we wanted to live someplace cheaper where one of us could stay at home to raise kids.  We chose Colorado because of clean air, affordable housing and educated population.  We have not regretted the move, but it has not always been a smooth ride.

When we were not alone in our quest for a new life.  Colorado is made up of many Californians, New Yorkers and Texans that searched for the same things we did.  Unfortunately, when we first arrived, we faced two ballot issues that affected Colorado politics for many years.  The first was TABOR or the Tax Payer's Bill Of Rights.  That bill basically tied the hands of politicians from raising anymore revenue or spending it in a way they saw fit.  This meant that the wheels of government ground to a halt because every time anything needed to be done - it would require a voted on referendum to grease the gears.  This has slowly erroded with referendums to allow the legislature to have more of a free hand with schools and infrastructure.

The second referendum to face voters when I first got here was known as 'Amendment 2'.  This piece of legislation basically wrote into law out and out discrimination against homosexuals.  This passed the popular vote, but was later overturned by the US Supreme Court.  However, the affects have been lasting in that we have been very slow on progress for gay rights and the victory at the ballot box has given the extreme religious groups in Colorado Springs a lot of credibility and power.  Something we have been paying for since I arrived.

Several cycles ago, the Dems finally gained control of the House in Denver.  One of the House members quipped, "With the GOP, you would think that that the only problems that we have had to deal with in Colorado have been abortion and gay rights."  This statement has proved very prescient, because the Democratic party has enjoyed electoral success in just about every election since then.

Which brings us to the article in yesterday's Camera.  Jim Martin is an ex-GOP member that has voted Democratic in the last few election cycles.  As for the GOP, he states:

All this bloviating about the future of the Republican Party and how it should reinvent itself reminds me of a family finally acknowledging that an aged relative has crossed the bar into dottiness: What should we do with the Grand Old Party?

This is not the statement of a person who believes the party can be saved by "Just getting back to it's core message."  This is a statement of surrender.  The party is beyond salvage.  And the standard flag bearers are the problem, not the solution.

As much as the Republican Party needs reform, it won't happen. The far right chorus still bellows "We Shall Not Be Moved," with solos by the three tenors of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly.

Ouch.  According to Mr. Martin, the loud mouths are just making it worse.  He doesn't mention Dobson or Perkins by name, but the disdain for the Religious Right is palpable.

He puts the nail in the coffin with this graph:

The answer comes from history. The Republicans came into being because the Whig Party had a split over slavery, a contentious fight they could not resolve. Progressive people, among them Abraham Lincoln, saw no point arguing with the recalcitrant's, left them to bicker among themselves and formed a new party. Honest Abe ran on the Republican ticket, and the rest was history.

Going the way of the Whigs is something we quote quite a bit here.  It interesting to see that many former GOPers have the same feelings.  I also find it amusing that he wants to name the new party 'Progressives'.

Mr. Martin goes on to talk about several moderate Republicans and conservative Dems (Including Ben Nighthorse Salazar) that would fit in his mold of a new Party.  I don't necessarily agree with his assessment, but I think it is informative none-the-less.  And it shows that there are a lot of former GOP members out there that are sick of the Religious Right and the extreme anti-government and anti-science rhetoric.  Whatever the outcome, I wish their ilk luck in trying to form a more sane opposition party.

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What do you guys think? (0.00 / 0)
Can a GOP third party germinate in Colorado?

Making the Centennial State a Blue State

I don't want to think about the GOP germinating anything (0.00 / 0)
but since you bring it up, no. One of the trademarks of the GOP is that they don't believe in evolution.

This doesn't bode well for parasites whose hosts have died off en masse.


[ Parent ]
Probably not (4.00 / 1)
The hardest part about breaking off from the GOP and starting a third party made of mostly RINOs and fiscally conservative, socially liberal people is re-creating the party infrastructure.

The newly revitalized, and probably increasingly conservative, Republican party would still have all of the institutional credibility, but without those pesky moderates getting in the way of them communicating their agenda to voters.

There'd be the new Diet GOP (Now with less gay-bashing!) and the GOP Classic (Spend all you want, just don't raise taxes!) with the Democratic Party cruising to electoral supremacy from the split vote.

A third party may be coming, but it's going to be incredibly difficult to create, and it's not going to happen right away.


Looks like... (4.00 / 1)
You are going to have to get a new UID :)

Making the Centennial State a Blue State

[ Parent ]
I'm keeping it as a reminder (4.00 / 1)
of constant vigilance.

[ Parent ]
could happen (4.00 / 1)
at least I think so!

(down in the lower left corner)

Nah (4.00 / 1)
If things go the way we like, they'll continue to beat on the wedge issues while people have bigger problems.  My worry is, just like during the Clinton administration, in the minority party they'll have an enemy to attack to motivate their base to donate, to volunteer.  Eventually they'll also figure out how to fit they're gamesmanship into effective use of the internet.  That probably won't be on blogs where the number of bullshit detectors is high, but perhaps in some other form.  They're cornered and scared, and that's the kind of animal that bites.

revolution from within

I think you proved the point... (0.00 / 0)
Although in a back-handed way.  The author rightly points out that the GOP is beyond salvation because they will never dump their fundie foot soldiers.  So the only viable alternative for the dis-enfranchised moderates and some fiscal conservatives is to either join the Dems (which many have done) or start a third party.  I'm not saying it's viable; it just looks like it may be done.

Making the Centennial State a Blue State

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Thanks for the front page boost... (0.00 / 0)
BTW.

Making the Centennial State a Blue State

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I don't think so (4.00 / 2)
Pragmatic Republicans aren't likely to successfully start a 3rd party in Colorado.  As has been said above, developing the necessary infrastructure is difficult.  They would have a better shot at regaining control of their party from the nutters that have taken it over.  But that's a long-term process - even if the social-issue fringe wouldn't put up a fight about it.

Parties are supposed to go through periods of growth and decay.  What's needed is an honest assessment of what should change in the down part of the cycle.  It sounds like some Republicans get it.  The Cons don't get it and will continue to suffer because of it.

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The Farberization Menace (4.00 / 2)
The Chamber of Commerce types are already coming on board the Democratic party, and the real challenge will be housebreaking them. First, the older ones will remember Roy  Romer's attempts at pandering to business with subsidies and enterprise zones. Here the challenge will be to convince them that shy, young political principles are not a substitute for a tenable business plan. The second lesson is that the cause of labor is the hope of humanity. It's not the job of government to interfere in contractual negotiations, and this includes collective bargaining. Profit is the difference between what a worker is paid and what he's actually worth to the company. Chamber of Commerce types shouldn't expect their new friends in the Democratic party to shield them from organized labor. Finally, some Chamber of Commerce converts will be thumping the tub for zombie bipartisanship, and we'll have to continue exposing the hollowness and self-interest lurking behind this kind of thing. Co-optation fights are messy because they're "among one's own," but we still have to do it. Otherwise, we start losing on Nov. 5th even if we win on election day.

There is no elite, so take your place in the driver's seat.

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If and only if... (4.00 / 2)
they are willing to be unsuccessful for a very long time.

There are lots of moving parts going on.  A moderate Democratic party.  A growing Latino/a population that's moving toward Democrats under pressure from anti-immigration Republicans.

Splitting the GOP into two separate moderate and socially-conservative parties doesn't help them win elections and winning elections is what it is all about.

Now, if Democrats screw up, say with scandals, constant calls for tax increases or a socially liberal litmus test, room will open up for a moderate GOP.  Splitting the Democratic Party with a litmus test--how acceptably liberal are the Salazar brothers, Markey and even Udall?--is probably as likely as a moderate GOP.  Colorado progressives are as likely to self destruct as the GOP.  But right now, TABOR was such a great victory for fiscal conservatives there's no reason voters have any reason to fear Colorado Democrats.  They effectively took away their most productive scare tactic.

Does formation of a moderate, fiscally conservative, libertarian party help them win elections or does it make it more difficult?  I think more difficult and that's why it won't happen.  Somehow, they need to rebuild the coalition between that faction and the social conservatives.  If you think that can't happen, you're kidding yourselves.  It's a lot more likely than a successful third party.


It's more likely... (4.00 / 1)
...that the business wing of the GOP will try to co-opt the Democratic party. I'm expecting more zombie bipartisanship talk to start emanating from the business-PR complex. ("If you want to be a really nice Democrat you need to give us subsidies and shaft labor. You do want to be a nice person, don't you?")

There is no elite, so take your place in the driver's seat.

[ Parent ]
I think you may be on to something (4.00 / 1)
forgive me if I seem too conspiracy theoristy but the business party still has quite a hold on the Dems. It wouldn't be difficult to get the msm to start chanting about free-markets and corporate tax-cuts actually helping the lower and middle classes under a Dem president. People would buy it (lol) too.

My biggest fear is that the energy behind the Obamatons will either neglect big business, or be manipulated by big business into again championing the virtues of what is a corporatocracy.

Flat-earth latent homosexual Christians aren't the real threat; its unchecked business interests that are destroying the survival chances of the human race.  


[ Parent ]
Is it a conspiracy when the swallows return to Capistrano? (4.00 / 2)
If I were a Chamber of Commerce type, I'd be writing off the GOP for the next 5 years or so and trying to figure out how to gull the Dems into furthering my interests. Sorry about the cliche, but right now the smart money is on the Dems. That's why we're going to have to focus on the miserable, miserable business of party discipline. Locally, this starts with making Ken Salazar, the senator from Farber, CO, pay fink tax.

There is no elite, so take your place in the driver's seat.

[ Parent ]
It's not a conspiracy (0.00 / 0)
Corporations will do what they have to do to keep policies friendly to them.  If that means greasing Dems' coffers instead of the Cons, we know they're fine with it.

That's why I think the "liberal or conservative" track records of politicians miss the point.  More focus should be placed on assessing how pro-corporate/anti-citizen policies and politicians are.  If someone consistently votes to boost corporate rights and privileges while suppressing citizen rights and privileges, I don't care if they're a Dem or a Con - they shouldn't hold their office.  I think that's just a different way of saying what your second paragraph embodies, with which I agree.

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[ Parent ]
Oh and (0.00 / 0)
the free-market mantra has always been and will always be opportunistically chanted.

[ Parent ]
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