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FactCheck.org takes on Bennet v. Romanoff

by: peacemonger

Sun Jul 25, 2010 at 08:23:06 AM MST


(Factcheck is neither a fact nor a check. Discuss.   - promoted by Fong)

"You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts" is the trendy political quote of the year, it seems. Romanoff's biggest message in the campaign against Bennet is the accusation that Bennet can be "bought" and has been bought, by special interests. Bennet sat back and took the line for six months, not fighting back at all, but using as his message, "I've done a lot of good things in my year in the Senate and I want to do more."

Bennet finally threw back the mud on 7/20 with his own ad, educating voters that Andrew Romanoff was not above taking money from PACS for nearly a decade --including having his own PAC that was closed four months after he started campaigning for US Senate.

Romanoff bloggers went berzerk, claiming it was not true.  

Yesterday, FactCheck.org, a neutral third party, examined the claims and checked their factual validity.   http://factcheck.org/2010/07/c...

peacemonger :: FactCheck.org takes on Bennet v. Romanoff
Turns out Romanoff's claim Bennet took PAC money was correct (Bennet never denied it). Turns out Romanoff's claims Bennet sided with big corporations he took money from is a lot of hot air.

Bennet's claims that Romanoff took PAC money?  FACT. Bennet's claims Romanoff had his own PAC and didn't shut it down until 2010.  Also FACT.  Bennet did not volunteer that Romanoff's PAC was eventually closed during 2010, but he never claimed that it wasn't. (No distortion there.)

In fairness to Andrew Romanoff, the records show Andrew took money from large corporations, including oil companies, and turned around to give it it to his friend's Democratic campaigns in CO. Smart. Personally, I think that's awesome. Sounds like something out of a Republican playbook.  

The problem is, Romanoff was doing exactly what he accuses Bennet of doing -- taking money from big corporations and using it for the greater good, without being beholden to their votes. (Who was it that said, in regard to political enemies, "Smoke their cigars, drink their brandy and sleep with their women"? Was that Churchill?)

It's time voters knew the truth. Check the facts. Click on the links. Read the reports. It's all in there. (Thank you, FactCheck.org)

"You can have your own opinions, folks, but you can't have your own facts."  

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not sure why the Bennet campaign keeps pimping this article
but sure -- let's talk about it.

The article says that Romanoff used to take PAC money and doesn't anymore.  It doesn't mention that he hasn't taken it for several years, but that is an inconvenient fact for your argument I suppose.

That isn't any different than what Romanoff has said himself.  Not quite sure what you mean by

Romanoff bloggers went berzerk, claiming it was not true.
 

I haven't seen anyone on here say that Romanoff never took PAC money.  A lot of people have said what the article says...that he used to and doesn't anymore.

As for tying Bennet's votes to his contributions?  That's really up to people to decide.  Bennet did vote with big banks on cramdown.  He also voted with big oil when he kept tax breaks for BP.

So yes -- Bennet has voted with the industries that are making large contributions to his campaign.

My only beef with Bennet's attack ad?  The statement "has been taking PAC money" implies that he still is.  Of course that's the intent of the ad -- to make people think Romanoff is still taking PAC money when he isn't.  The truth (and you know it) is that Romanoff stopped taking PAC money several years ago and is funding his campaign with individual contributions -- just like when President Obama turned away from special interest money when he ran for President.

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too


I don't represent the Bennet campaign.
If Andrew had been appointed, then Michael decided to run, and Michael's team was trashing an innocent man with accusations of being bought where it never happened, I would be defending Andrew.

I'm not interested in one winning over the other. I am interested in truth... and for the Democrats to win in November.  If everything was equal, I would be hard pressed to make a decision.

The fact of the matter is that they are not equal.  One candidate decided to divide the Democratic party to further his own personal ambitions, and has proven he cannot raise the funds necessary to beat Norton or Buck. That same candidate has disengenously attacked an honest man.  

PAC money doesn't make either candidate unethical. Everyone takes it. The only thing that makes it unethical is when someone is beholden to it. Neither men were, or are. That is the truth.

Someone needs to keep telling the truth about it.  

My opinions here do not reflect any organization or group with which I may be affiliated.  


"Everyone" doesn't take it
I supported Barack Obama over other candidates in part because he refused to play ball with special interests.  I see the same in Andrew Romanoff.

That's the truth.


[ Parent ]
One candidate can beat Buck or Norton
Actually Peacemonger, one candidate can beat Buck or Norton and it's not your phone-pal or the hubbie of your coffee-talk friend. Andrew Romanoff is the only candidate who can hold this seat. The polls say it. President Clinton says it. The Republicans know it which is why they're chomping at the bit to let loose if Bennet buys a win.

Romanoff has talked at length about why he decided not to take PAC money. He saw the impact special interest money was having on the ability (or will) to get things done in Washington. He has said he is not the perfect messenger but that doesn't mean the message is not valid. In Colorado, every meeting of lawmakers was open to the public. In Colorado, hearings were televised because of Romanoff's work. At his speech at the assembly Romanoff described the differences between the Democratic party he led and what he has seen going on in Washington:



[ Parent ]
Still slinging the mud, eh, girl.
I agree with Strykerk2

"The truth (and you know it)
is that Romanoff stopped taking PAC money several years ago and is funding his campaign with individual contributions
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just like when President Obama turned away from special interest money when he ran for President"

So are you calling Obama a liar as well?

Obama Stole Dems 2010 Senate Primary Nomination for "appointed" Sen. Michael Bennet but 57,497 "UnderVotes" by angry Romanoff progressives nearly Stopped them


As someone who was (honestly)
ambivalent about both candidates in the spring. The clear choice for me is Romanoff.  Nothing personal regarding either man.  I have been extremely underwhelmed by Bennet's job performance and how he has handled a lot of situations.

I think it is silly to argue back and forth with people who already know who they are going to vote for -

If you don't know who you are going to vote for yet, - look at both mens' records, accomplishments, and stance on issues, throw in a gut check, and make a choice.  


Thanks
This is unrelated to this post, but just wanted to thank you for your words on CoTrolls.  You didn't have to stick out your neck, but you were very decent.  Thanks.

I was on the fence earlier this year.
I finally realized that, even though I like Romanoff, Bennett has done all the things I want from my Senator.  He came out early on supporting the Public Option (unlike Udall).  He lead the way pushing for filibuster reform. He's been a good solid progressive overall.

So fire a guy who is doing a good job?  Bennett isn't a career politician.  He already had a job when the Gov. asked him to take the Senate seat.  He gave up his job to do his civic duty for the people of Colorado (no extra pay in it, either).  So again, why fire him for doing his job?


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