New to SquareState? Learn how to play here.
Wanna see your ad here? email ads@... you know the rest.



The Progressive Political Blog for Colorado
(HOME)

[mobile edition]
Got a hot tip?


SquareState Ads


About
The progressive community blog on all things Colorado. Blogging since 6/17/2005.

You're encouraged to join. This blog is what we make it.

About/Disclaimer

by: DavidThi808

09/18/08 @ 08:32:32 AM MDT


(Front paged in honor of Dave's diary rescue tonight at DailyKos. Thanks for helping get this issue some national atention DT808! - promoted by Aaron Silverstein)

Called by it's proponents the "Definition of a Person" it more accurately should be called the outlawing of abortion proposal.

An amendment to the Colorado constitution to define the term "person" to "include any human being from the moment of fertilization"; and apply this definition of person to the sections of the Colorado Constitution that protect the natural and essential rights of persons, allow open access to courts for every person, and ensure that no person has his or her life, liberty, or property taken away without due process of law.

But what this is in fact is an amendment that would outlaw not just abortion at any point, but even any birth control that occurs after the egg is fertilized such as the morning after pill.

Further info at Colorado Ballot - The misnamed Definition of a Person Initiative

DavidThi808 :: Amendment 48 - Outlaw Abortion
Arguments Against
This will limit the ability of individuals to make private, personal choices about their lives and health. The measure will limit access to abortions and to prohibit medical care, including emergency contraception, commonly used forms of birth control, and treatments for cancer, tubal pregnancies, and infertility. The amendment may restrict some stem cell research that could lead to life-saving therapies for a variety of disabilities and illnesses.

This allows government interference in the doctor-patient relationship and could limit the exercise of independent medical judgment. The measure will restrict a doctor from using certain medical procedures and treatments. Furthermore, the measure will subject medical professionals to legal action for providing medical care to a woman of child-bearing age if it is determined to affect another "person."

Arguments For
The measure may establish the legal foundation to end the practice of abortion in Colorado. The U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion in the U.S. found that the unborn were not included in the word "person" as used in the U.S. Constitution. If each human life, from the moment of fertilization, is recognized as a person under Colorado's bill of rights, Amendment 48 will provide support for legal challenges to prohibit abortions in Colorado.

Vote NO! Vote No
This is a question that does belong on the ballot (one of the few). But I think this is way more extreme than what the people of this state want. We should have a discussion of what point in the pregnancy we as a people want to say abortion is no longer allowed. And we should put it to a vote. But this proposal should be shot down.

In the meantime, we should all work to make sure abortion is not only safe, but rare. And that must include comprehensive sex-ed in our schools and making birth control available. Regardless of what we do, people will have sex (that's why all of us are here) and while we should impress on our children to be responsible in when they choose to have sex, we also need to stress that they need to be responsible in how they have sex.

And if you believe that as soon as the egg is fertilized, it is a human being and anything that stops it from growing to term is murder, then you should vote for this amendment.

But keep in mind when you do, that the logical interpretation of this amendment is that a woman who takes the morning after pill has committed pre-meditated murder and will be facing a prison term of decades.

Ballotpedia
If you want to make Ballotpedia a more evenhanded discussion of this initiative click here register, and you can then edit the page.

Tags: , , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email
Why does this belong on the ballot? (0.00 / 0)
You write that you think this belongs on the ballot. I think this is a waste of everyone's time. This is the perfect example of trying to legislate the unlegislatable and to state that it "simply goes too far" is the understatement of the year.  
 

I think the question of when abortion is allowed... (0.00 / 0)
...is a question we need to determine as a society and therefore questions on this topic do belong on the ballot.

I also think this particular proposal should be voted down big-time. The fact that I think a question is a legit initiative does not mean I support it.


[ Parent ]
About Roe v Wade (0.00 / 0)
One other thing that applies to my view of this. While I think abortion should be legal (and rare), I also think Roe v Wade should be overturned and the decision settled in the legislative process (state or federal).

My reasoning is at Overturn Roe v Wade


[ Parent ]
But there is a very important problem (4.00 / 1)
with many real implications. Legislating when a woman can have an abortion is completely ineffective and demonstrates a lack of a fundamental understanding of the issue. The situations that can result in an abortion are so varied and complex that it is impossible to ethically stipulate when it is ok. Not only that, but if abortions were illegal after the first trimester, what about those who still seek one? What happens to the babies brought to term? Who will take care of them by default?

Health care and human rights (and the philosophy of Jesus) trump any bogus issue-fracture abortion may create. There are bigger issues to be dealt with that can solve this problem. The bottom line is absolutely that it is no one else's business. It is an effort to control the uncontrollable. Its that scary gray area and this juvenile country can't help but fixate on it.  


[ Parent ]
Then propose that as the law (0.00 / 0)
Here's the thing, we get upset when Bush does an end-run around the law. We should hold ourselves to the same standard. Lets work together to determine what the law should be - and pass that.

[ Parent ]
video on personhood (0.00 / 0)
When does personhood begin?  Our video looks at the facts vs. the misinformation.  

Thanks for your work,
Brady Swenson
RH Reality Check


it goes even further (0.00 / 0)
Not only would this measure outlaw abortion, and the morning after pill, but also Invitro-Fertilization.

It would also throw into serious question, and lead to legal battles over, common birth control methods such as the Pill and IUDs, because both work in some cases to prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus.  Instead, that "person" gets murdered by bleeding out in a woman's period.


Menu

Make a New Account

Username:

Password:



Forget your username or password?


Blog Roll
What we read
- Andrew Hyde
- Code Neon Blue
- Colorado Dems Blog
- Colorado Independent
- Colorado Pols
- Congresspedia
- Coyote Gulch
- CritterThink
- DemNotes
- Democracy For Colorado
- Dem Conv. Watch
- Denver Ozone
- Ed Stein Ink
- Employee Free Choice - CO
- Great Education Colorado
- Green Chile Democrats
- Junction Daily Blog
- Lefty Blogs
- Liberal and Loving It
- Liberal Latina
- Mario Solis-Marich
- New Era Colorado
- Outta the Cornfield
- Politics West
- Progress Now Colorardo Blog
- RafaelNoboa.net
- Raw Story
- Rocky Mountain Activist
- Scholars and Rogues
- The Seminal
- Think Outside the Cage
- Senate Guru
- Ultimate Politics
- Unbossed
- Wash Park Prophet
- WeatherDem - the blog
- Wide Streets (northern colorado)

What We Listen To
- AM 760 - Boulder's Progressive Talk
- KCFR 1340 AM
- KUNC 91.5 FM
- KGNU 1390AM Denver, 88.5FM Boulder
- KRFC 88.9FM Northern CO

Politician Blogs
- Morgan Carroll
- Pam Bennett for Aurora

Get Involved
- Democrats Work
- Progress Now
- Progress Now Action

Powered By
- SoapBlox



Colorado Reference
Maps (via COMaps.org)
Current:
- US Congress
- State Senate
- State House

2010 Elections
- Michael Bennet CO-Sen
- Andrew Romanoff CO-Sen
- John Flerlage CO-06
- Amber Tafoya HD4
- Jennifer Coken HD4
- Steve Harvey HD28

Past Elections

2008 Elections
- Mark Udall CO-Senate
- Diana DeGette CO-01
- Jared Polis CO-02
- Betsy Markey CO-04
- Hal Bidlack CO-05
- Hank Eng CO-06
- Ed Perlmutter CO-07

- Joe Whitcomb SD23
- Jan Hejtmanek HD20
- Anna Lord HD21

- Coloradans for Middle Class Relief
- Opposes Amendment 47

- Protect Colorado's Future
- Opposes Amendments 47, 49, 54

- Protect Families Protect Choices
- Opposes Amendment 48

2006 Election
US Congress:
- CD 1: Diana DeGette
- CD 2: Mark Udall
- CD 3: John Salazar
- CD 4: Angie Paccione
- CD 5: Jay Fawcett
- CD 6: Bill Winter
- CD 7: Ed Perlmutter

Governor:
    - Bill Ritter
Treasurer:
    - Cary Kennedy
CU Regent-at-large
    - Steve Ludwig
Legislature:
    - Colorado State Sentate
    - Colorado State House

State Board of Education:
- CD 2: Evie Hudak
- CD 4: Bob Schaffer
- CD 7: Karen Middleton


Drinking Liberally Denver
2nd and 4th Wednesdays
7:30 PM @ Skylark Lounge
140 S. Broadway
Denver, CO
 
Denver South Metro
2nd & 4th Thursdays
of Each Month
start-time varies
Lansdowne Arms
9352 Dorchester St
Highlands Ranch, CO
 
Centennial
Every Monday
7pm
Bistro Al Vino
15352 East Ida Suite E
Centennial, CO
 
Boulder
1st & 3rd Thursdays
of Each Month
7:00 PM
Murphy's Grill
2731 Iris Ave.
Boulder, CO
 
Boulder - Downtown
2nd Tuesdays
of Each Month
7:00 PM @ Pearl St Pub
1108 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO
 
Colorado Springs
2nd Tuesdays of Each Month
7:30 PM
The Margarita at Pine Creek
7350 Pine Creek Rd.
Colorado Springs, CO
 
Castle Rock
Fourth Wednesdays
5:15pm
Pegasus Restaurant and Bar
313 Jerry Street
Castle Rock, CO
 
Longmont
1st & 3rd Wednesdays
of Each Month
7 PM @ Redzone
540 S Main St
Longmont, CO
 
Ft. Collins
2nd & 4th Thursdays
of Each Month
5PM - 7PM
The Crown Pub
144 South College Avenue
Ft. Collins, CO
 
Berthoud
1st & 3th Thursdays
of Each Month
5:30 pm
Wayside Pub
505 Mountain Avenue
Berthoud, CO
 
Cañon City
1st & 3rd Wednesdays
of Each Month
5:30 PM @ McClellan's
413 Main St.
Cañon City, CO
 
Greeley
2nd Tuesdays of Each Month
6:30pm
Kress Cinema & Lounge
815 8th Ave.
Greeley, CO
 
Frisco
2nd Wednesdays
of Each Month
7pm @ Po' Boys
620 Main Street
Frisco, CO
 
Carbondale
3rd Saturdays
of Each Month
7pm @ Pour House
352 Main Street
Carbondale, CO
 
Avon
4th Wednesdays
of Each Month
5:30pm @ Loaded Joe's
82 E Beaver Creek Blvd
Suite 104
Avon, CO
 
Grand Junction
1st Wednesdays of Each Month
5pm @ Kannah Creek Brewing Company
1960 N 12th St
Grand Junction, CO
 
Durango
3rd Thursdays of Each Month
6pm @ Joel's
119 W 8th St
Durango, CO

Active Users
Currently 3 user(s) logged on.

RSS Info

RSS Feed





Add to My Yahoo!



Add to Newsgator

Add to Feed Lounge

Add to Pluck

Add to Feedster

Add to Bloglines

Add to My MSN

Add to My AOL

Add to Rojo

Site Stats



Listed on BlogShares

view site stats

Search




Advanced Search


SquareState.net is wholly owned by SoapBlox Network, Inc.
Powered by: SoapBlox