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by: Phil In Denver

06/20/08 @ 01:55:56 PM MDT


It's very sad to see such a promising congressman as Ed Perlmutter and such a promising congressman and senatorial candidate as Mark Udall sell out their constituents, their constitution, and their country, but that is exactly what they have done. Ed Perlmutter along with Mark Udall voted to allow retroactive immunity to the telecoms who knowingly and willingly aided and abetted the criminal actions of the Bush Administration as it illegally wiretapped and spied on it's own citizens.
Phil In Denver :: Perlmutter, Mark Udall Sell Out Constitution to Vote Yes on FISA
Perhaps even more egregious than that, this bill not only grants immunity to the telecoms but much worse than that, it immunizes the Bush administration as well. Now, not only we will never see justice done, but all Americans will have to live their lives looking over their shoulders and wondering if big brother is listening, because now, he has license to do so whenever he feels like it and for any reason he chooses.

They call it a compromise, but in truth the only thing that is compromised is the constitution. They'll try to say that they have included "protections", but in fact the  only real protections are for the Bush administration and it's only too willingly compliant lackeys in the telecom industry.

They'll say this was done in the spirit of bipartisanship, but what is bipartisanship really? What is the value of it when it means selling out your core principles and your constituents. That's not bipartisanship, that's sleeping with the enemy.

Thanks a lot Messrs. Perlmutter and Udall, how does it feel to be in the same ranks as Marylin Musgrave, Tom Tancredo, and John Boehner? Have you learned nothing from Barack Obama's incredible run for the presidency? Have you not learned that the face of democracy is changing? How it no longer has to be a game of pandering to monied lobbiests so that you can have the funds you need for re-election? Have you learned nothing from the millions of online people powered grassroots/netroots movement based individuals who have contributed to Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, and yes, even Ron Paul over on the other side?

What is it that they know that you don't? Well, here is a clue. The game has changed, and those old ways of lobbiest based politics are over. You don't have to sell your souls to stay in power. You can vote your conscience and fulfill your oath to the constitution without fear of reprisal.

Unfortunately it may be too late to correct this, well, now at least we know which Colorado Congressmen are in the telecom lobbiest pockets...don't we!

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Obama will vote for it (4.00 / 1)
He sent out a press release saying that he would try to strip immunity, bet whether or not he could, he's voting for it.

The law sunsets in 2012. In January, (God willing) we'll have a 60-seat Senate majority and a president who will sign the FISA Amendments Act of 2009 that puts in the reverse targeting protections.

Immunity can't be undone. But in the end, no judge would have upheld damages against a company doing something that the Attorney General of the United States said was legal and necessary to protect the United States. While I would have liked to see the kind of discovery that can come to light in a lawsuit, the fact is that much of the evidence is classified and will never see the light of day. Congress and the Inspector General are far better equipped to gather that kind of evidence than are plaintiff's attorneys.

Jamie Gorelick had it right on C-SPAN the other day when she said that the worst legacy of the Bush justice department's warrantless wiretapping is that companies and people now have to question whether the Attorney General of the United States is asking them to break the law. That's never been the case in all of American history, but now it is. And that sucks.


And as a result (4.00 / 3)
I am leaving his campaign as of right now. I'll vote for him in the general, but until then, not one more dime, not one more phone call, not one more door knock. Not anything. I know he'll get there in the end, but he'll do it without me.

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Not the point (4.00 / 3)
Damages against these companies has never been the point of lawsuits filed by groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation.  The point was to use the suits as a vehicle to expose the government's illegal conduct.  The suits would have operated as a significant disincentive to both the government and telecoms to ever again violate the Constitution.  That last avenue for finding out who got spied on, when, how, and to what degree, is now going to be closed forever.

Casey Mulligan

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I think you just restated my point (4.00 / 1)
The discovery process may have been valuable, though I imagine it would have descended into a protracted fight about classified material.

However the bill does call for a comprehensive review of what happened, and the whole immunity provision was written in such a contorted way that there is the possibility that a court could find it unconstitutional. The ACLU certainly thinks it's unconstitutional.


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Good point (4.00 / 2)
Thus providing another rationale for electing Obama--he's more likely to appoint Justices to the SCOTUS who would find unconstitutional the very legislation he supported.  Who knows, maybe this is part of a detailed plan on his part--he wins guarantees from the Senators that they will shuttle his appointments through, in exchange for his support now.

Casey Mulligan

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the could've used our own (4.00 / 5)
Qwest as a reason to stand up to the 23%-ers. There is just no politcal downside to this unless you're afraid of a lying Republican.

Liberty and justice for all... (4.00 / 7)
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you're so right (4.00 / 2)
Udall sold us out.  I called.  I had other people call.  I blogged.  I care.  He doesn't.  Where's the other guy running for senate?  We need a progressive and not this corporate sellout.

Udall another spineless Dem like Salazar (4.00 / 1)
just what we need - two Senators weak on civil liberties.  It's disgusting -- Udall's cousin, also running for Senate in NM, didn't have any trouble finding his spine on the FISA vote.

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John Dean on Oberman Has a Different Take on This (4.00 / 2)
There appears to be an opening to permit later prosecution of the telecoms which Obama could exploit after gaining office, thereby retaining the leverage to obtain discovery about the whole program.  Read about it here:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/...

If true, (4.00 / 1)
then that would be great news.  I am highly skeptical, but, his staff is alleged to have "pored over" the legislation all night last Thursday.  Wouldn't that be hilarious if the drafter's f'ed up and left this avenue open by mistake?

Casey Mulligan

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So disappointed in Perlmutter and Udall and Salazar! (4.00 / 1)
Sorry, they get no more money from me!

Had enough of these sellouts.

Better Democrats needed now!

Was bad enough that Salazar voted for the Military Commissions Act.  Now that the Supreme Court has said the law is unconstitutional what's his lame excuse?  What Senator, do we need more conservative judges that think like you do???

Now 'supposedly' progressive Dems like Perlmutter and Udall follow his lead on FISA?

What is wrong with these folks?  Didn't they ever read about the founding fathers and the Constitution in grade school?  So pathetic...

Check out Feingold on FISA:

AMY GOODMAN: Can you describe the legislation that the Senate is considering, is expected to pass by Friday?

SEN. RUSS FEINGOLD: Well, this is a great blow to the rights of the American people. And much of the publicity has been about a very important aspect: giving these telephone companies immunity that cooperated with the President's illegal program. We think that should be decided based on current law, not some kind of a retroactive immunity. But that's essentially what this bill does.

But you know what? Even worse are the provisions of the bill that will make it very easy for the government to essentially suck up the communications, all communications of Americans that go overseas, whether it's an email or a text message or a phone call to a daughter, junior year abroad, or a child who's in Iraq or a reporter or a business associate. This is one of the greatest intrusions, potentially, on the rights of Americans protected under the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution in the history of our country.

And unfortunately, it's going to go through with the help of some Democrats. So this is a very, very sad day for our Constitution and for our rights, and it's not justified by the terrorism issue, because we do not have any problem at all with going after anybody that we have reasonable suspicions about. It has to do with sucking all this information into a huge database in a way that is very intrusive on the privacy of all Americans.
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NOW that's a Senator and a true American!


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