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Ex-President Brags About Waterboarding

by: Bill Egnor AKA Something The Dog Said

Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 06:04:58 AM MST


The normalization of torture continued apace yesterday as the criminal President Bush said in a speech in Grand Rapids, MI that if he had it all to do over again he would still order the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed. That's right this unindicted war criminal still thinks that ordering this crime, which produced no actionable intelligence was not only the legal thing to do but the right thing.

Lest we let time wash away our memories KSM was waterboarded 183 times in the course of one month. That is an average of five times a day that they tortured this man and exactly nothing came of it. Sure we got some BS that banks and malls might be attacked, but there were not operations to do that, just the desire on the part of the tortured to say anything, everything to make it stop.  

Bill Egnor AKA Something The Dog Said :: Ex-President Brags About Waterboarding

Below is a fictionalized first person account I wrote a couple of years ago, to give everyone a glimpse into what waterboarding is like. I am re-posting it. Warning - To those who have been tortured, this account can be triggering, please read only if you are sure you will not be thrown back to that time.

Your feet are shackled, and so are your wrists. When you were lead into the room you saw that it did not have the usual table, this room had a board, and a drain in the floor. You are blindfolded by the guards and roughly forced to lie on the wet wooden board. Even though you are shackled they tie you down to the board with three ropes, one across your chest, on across your waist and one across your legs. You are now completely unable to move, your head is below the level of your feet making the blood rush to your head.

You can hear them moving around and hear a hose running, filling a bucket of water. Your heart begins to race as your mouth is forced open and a wet rag is stuffed inside. There is enough clothe that it fills your mouth, and prevents your teeth from meeting, even at the back of your mouth. You feel a person sitting next you on the board, and they put their hands on your stomach, just above your diaphragm and push down, keeping you from taking a deep breath through your nose. You sense someone else standing above your head, and then the water starts to pour over your face. Not a little, but a torrent of water, it is running up your nose, and you can not breath! Your gag reflex kicks in, but the rag in your mouth does not let you gag.

Your body begins to convulse, convinced in the most primitive of reflexes to try to do anything to get more air! You thrash but the ropes and shackles have you completely immobilized.  You feel the water hitting your face, as the person on the bench presses down on your diaphragm, forcing what little air you have out, not in. You are now sure that you are going to die, that you are going to drown, not an abstract, but for real, and right now. Your chest buns with the need for more air, your eyes tear under the blindfold as you struggle to get one more breath.
You are no longer a rational human, you are now just a survival machine, ready to beg anyone, do anything to make the pain stop and get just one more breath. The water stops falling on you.

You suck air in through your nose and try to suck it in through you mouth. Both bring more water along with the small amount of air you can get. You hear the hose running again and know that this is not over, it is just starting. Your heart is going like a trip hammer, and you are in a state of terror, like nothing you have ever experienced or thought of. You know if and when they ask you something, you will do or say anything, anything to prevent them from doing it again. Then the hands push on your stomach, and the water starts falling again.

You struggle, trying to hold your breath, but the gag reflex kicks in again, and again you become more animal than man as you struggle for breath your body wracked with pain and convulsively struggling to get free to breath.

I think that is enough of that. The point here is that the object failure of the Attorney General Holder and the Obama Administration in general to come down on those that ordered and carried out torture with the full force of the law has normalized it. This is the fear that has always motivated me to advocate on this issue, that the fact of torture becomes so normal that people just look at it and shrug. People, like the criminal President Bush are not only free but free to argue that one of the most heinous crimes humans can commit against each other is a legitimate tool of state.

If there were any evidence of efficacy there might be an argument (a spurious and facile one, not to mention morally bankrupt) that it was needed. The fact is that torture never has and never will produce really actionable intellgence. This is particularly true of waterboarding which is so horrific that people like Mancow and Chris Hutchens who have tried it were unable to withstand it for a few seconds, let alone repeated and constant applications.

Waterboarding is torture, it always has been. The previous President of the United States is making obscene amounts of money going on speaking tours where he not only admits his guilt, but brags about it as it were something honorable and good. This has to end! There must be investigations and prosecutions. Read the description of waterboarding again and ask yourself if you are willing to let 183 times of that on a single person go unprosecuted. Then ask yourself when how many time we will do this again, in the future if it is not stopped by the full force of the law?

The floor is yours.

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Is Anyone Surprised?
In a culture of 24, it's not a revelation.  George Bush could have called a halt to any of this awful behavior from the start and throughout 6 1/2 years of his presidency.  He chose not to do so.  He will eventually face the consequences for this; and his supporters should be kept from all government offices.

We have begun to slowly turn our country around, and yet we still see defense of ineffective and improper behavior by some of our political leadership. We are in another political election cycle and need to work very hard to prevent supporters of this proto-fascism from resurfacing.  We can't do much about other places, but we can see that all our Colorado statewide and local candidates win the upcoming elections.  If not, look at what we can get!  Walk a block with a candidate.  Make a call. Donate to a candidate.  Present well thought out reasons for supporting Democratic candidates.  Torture support is certainly one of them.  


Best comment in a long time!
And you are 100% correct all the way around. Thanks SA!

Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain.  

[ Parent ]
Could everyone please take a breath
as we are reminded with the appearance of Bush, and be grateful that Barack Obama is our President.

With all the bellyaching about how Obama isn't doing enough yesterday by the left, it is worth noting that the ghost of Bush has left a horrible mark on our country that will take years, if not decades to eradicate.

Presenting well thought out reasoned cases for supporting Democrats is great advice. One very well thought out reason is, the working man. He has been left behind and stands a hell of a lot better chance of a wage increase under democrats.


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